mother tongue registration

RA · Post by RA » Thu Aug 06, 2009 11:38 pm

Just found out today that though we had marked down two mother-tongues for our daughter English and Finnish when she was registered, they only registered one- Finnish. I asked at the maistraatti and they said that they can only register one mother-tongue

their database doesn't allow more than one mother tongue registration. And there is no 'more information' space where they can clarify that she has two mother-tongues. I really found that bizarre. The maistraatti lady said that the mother-tongue is not significant, but we were still thinking of the school factor later,- if she has English as her registered mother tongue, she's entitled to extra lessons for mother tongue. So we changed her mother tongue to English. Bizarre also was that they never informed us when we were registering (4 years ago?!), also my mother-tongue was marked as Finnish, though it's English as well... though that's probably how my parents registered me...eons ago .
Anyhoos, how have you with bilingual or multilingual families registered your kids and is it really significant especially when they start school?

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skandagupta · Post by **skandagupta** » Fri Aug 07, 2009 2:45 am

"my mother said: to get things done
you better not mess with native tongue"

DMC · Post by **DMC** » Fri Aug 07, 2009 7:30 am

I didn't realise your native tongue is registered somewhere. What happens when a child forgets his/her registered native tongue?

Pursuivant · Post by **Pursuivant** » Fri Aug 07, 2009 8:36 am

I didn't realise your native tongue is registered somewhere.

Of course its registered somewhere - how else would the Government know the amount of Swedish-speaking people to know which county is Swedish-speaking and where you have to have bilingual services? How else would the school board know how many classes of äidinkieli and suomi vieraana kielenä teaching to organize? (Theres also a box for asiointikieli which states in which language your official documents come in, Finnish or Swedish). Go look at http://www.vaestorekisterikeskus.fi and you see a statistical breakdown of people by language - how do you expect those statistics to have been formed?

What happens when a child forgets his/her registered native tongue?

You can change the entry with a letter to the maistraatti.

DMC · Post by **DMC** » Fri Aug 07, 2009 11:06 pm

Pursuivant wrote:Of course its registered somewhere - how else would the Government know the amount of Swedish-speaking people to know which county is Swedish-speaking and where you have to have bilingual services? How else would the school board know how many classes of äidinkieli and suomi vieraana kielenä teaching to organize? (Theres also a box for asiointikieli which states in which language your official documents come in, Finnish or Swedish). Go look at http://www.vaestorekisterikeskus.fi and you see a statistical breakdown of people by language - how do you expect those statistics to have been formed?

In the UK those sort of stats are collected via the census, with no registration as such.

onkko · Post by **onkko** » Sat Aug 08, 2009 12:00 am

Cory wrote:
DMC wrote:In the UK those sort of stats are collected via the census, with no registration as such.
In Canada, too. Every 5 years every 5th household, or something like that, gets a Census form in the post. Kinda like being called for jury duty....t's necessary to fill it in and post it back or big-brother comes-a-knockin'!

I like more finnish system. Did you know we have one 20 to 24 yearld old woman who speaks cree as native tongue and she lives in southern savo

Im friend of accurate data.

raamv · Post by **raamv** » Sat Aug 08, 2009 2:47 am

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DMC · Post by **DMC** » Sat Aug 08, 2009 8:45 am

raamv wrote:viewtopic.php?f=2&t=39551&start=30

Good point. Pursuivant ought to be more open-minded. There is a big difference between my not knowing how it is done here and P's not being able to think how else to do it. There are many ways to collect statistics witout requiring everyone to register everything.

RA · Post by RA » Fri Aug 14, 2009 5:40 am

Thanks. The schools here apparently check the street address as well as mother tongue data to direct the school option for the kids. I still think its silly that they can't register two or more languages as mother tongue... but I guess it would entail a huge haul-up in programme they use at the registry

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Pursuivant · Post by **Pursuivant** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 8:06 am

DMC wrote: In the UK those sort of stats are collected via the census, with no registration as such.

Yes we know they use checques and hot water bottles as well. When have you seen people going door-to-door for census, checques or hot water bottles in Finland? In the 1970's? Finnish census is done from the registries.

Pursuivant · Post by **Pursuivant** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 8:12 am

DMC wrote: Pursuivant ought to be more open-minded. There is a big difference between my not knowing how it is done here and P's not being able to think how else to do it.

Modern technology always comes as a shock to primitive peoples when the come live in modern societies. I know how things were done in the 1950's. I have an outhouse at the cottage. I still don't see why I have to be open minded if I have indoor plumbing and know how to use it and you don't know to flush.

Pursuivant · Post by **Pursuivant** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 8:16 am

Cory wrote: In Canada, too. Every 5 years every 5th household, or something like that, gets a Census form in the post.

Thats an opinion gallup. In principle you can fill in whatever you want. Its about as valid as the Finnish corruption survey. Of course we are the "least corrupt nation"

... not.

raamv · Post by **raamv** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 1:26 pm

Pursuivant wrote:
Cory wrote: In Canada, too. Every 5 years every 5th household, or something like that, gets a Census form in the post.
Thats an opinion gallup. In principle you can fill in whatever you want. Its about as valid as the Finnish corruption survey. Of course we are the "least corrupt nation" ... not.

dont get started in this...it deserves a new topic instead of a thread...

DMC · Post by **DMC** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 4:04 pm

Pursuivant wrote:Modern technology always comes as a shock to primitive peoples when the come live in modern societies. I know how things were done in the 1950's. I have an outhouse at the cottage. I still don't see why I have to be open minded if I have indoor plumbing and know how to use it and you don't know to flush.

I'm impressed! Such wit! And it only took you a week.
So you have indoor plumbing and you think its worth commenting on. I'll let you into a secret: everyone does. Skill in WC usage isn't really something you should include on your CV.

skandagupta · Post by **skandagupta** » Sat Aug 15, 2009 2:46 am

DMC wrote:
Pursuivant wrote:Modern technology always comes as a shock to primitive peoples when the come live in modern societies. I know how things were done in the 1950's. I have an outhouse at the cottage. I still don't see why I have to be open minded if I have indoor plumbing and know how to use it and you don't know to flush.
I'm impressed! Such wit! And it only took you a week.
So you have indoor plumbing and you think its worth commenting on. I'll let you into a secret: everyone does. Skill in WC usage isn't really something you should include on your CV.

Skill in WC usage isn't really something you should include on your CV.

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