Proof of Leaving the Country

[interleukin]

Well what do you expect when you come to this forum and say that you have left the country and are trying to get out of a legal contract you made while here? And you ask for help but you get pissed off when people ask for further details that might help to give your sorry ass relevant information. You really should work harder to not forget taking your pills each morning. You are the idiot for making a contract without thinking about the consequences. If you don't know that you will stay in Finland for 18 months, you don't make a contract like that. Bloody idiot foreigners.

[Pursuivant]

Well we're just thread-drifting... these issues actually surface up every now and then and do cause a lot of stress.

[Upphew]

Well what do you expect when you come to this forum and say that you have left the country and are trying to get out of a legal contract you made while here? And you ask for help but you get pissed off when people ask for further details that might help to give your sorry ass relevant information. You really should work harder to not forget taking your pills each morning. You are the idiot for making a contract without thinking about the consequences. If you don't know that you will stay in Finland for 18 months, you don't make a contract like that. Bloody idiot foreigners.

Bloody idiot companies, IMNSHO. How the @#$% can they expect that anyone will live in same place for 18 months? They can't, so they provide the service to the new address, if they can. If they can't its not my problem and I ain't paying anything to them. If they gave something (modem for example) I'm willing to give it back, but to pay for the service that they can't provide... no way.

[daryl]

Well, this has all got rather heated and over the top since my first post where I simply wanted to know if anyone could suggest an acceptable method of proving we no longer live in Finland! Anyway, I think that some of you might be a little too concerned about our work situation and what it may or may not have been so I will clarify a little. I didn't cintradict myself by saying it was a short term contract AND that we didn't expect to be there for such a short time, because the contract was initially for 6 months with the possibility of being extended but the work was completed sooner so it ended sooner. My partner is self-employed so it wasn't a case of probationary whatevers etc etc. Anyway, this is all beside the point and not really necessary for you all to know. As I have said, I just wanted to know what might act as sufficient proof that we noe live in the UK and not Finland. Meanwhile, amongst the squabbling, Welho have replied and are checking our accoount situation for us, so if any of you are interetested in the point of the OP I will keep you posted.

As I said, it's worth a try, but I don't think Sanoma Television Oy is under any kind of obligation to release you from your duty to pay off the remaining contract period, and they certainly don't want to advertise the fact if they make exceptions to their own standard service agreement.

Please do let us know how it turns out anyway.

[daryl]

Bloody idiot companies, IMNSHO. How the @#$% can they expect that anyone will live in same place for 18 months? They can't, so they provide the service to the new address, if they can. If they can't its not my problem and I ain't paying anything to them. If they gave something (modem for example) I'm willing to give it back, but to pay for the service that they can't provide... no way.

You are free to protest all the way to the bailiff's office. We all enter into agreements based on our assessment of our future requirements, and we are not discharged from our duties under those agreements simply because that assessment turns out to be wrong.

The most obvious parallel here is with fixed period tenancies. If you lease a property for a certain period, then you are not discharged from your duty to pay rent to the lessor simply because you have subsequently managed to lease another more suitable property from another lessor elsewhere.

If you think that the business model of Sanoma Television Oy is defective, then perhaps you have identified a niche in the market and should start an enterprise offering a better service.

[Upphew]

If you think that the business model of Sanoma Television Oy is defective, then perhaps you have identified a niche in the market and should start an enterprise offering a better service.

I'm not in good enough shape to compete with Sonera (which kindly told me that if I move to a place where they cannot offer their service, the 18 months contract will be terminated, without any cost to me).

[Pursuivant]

Well at least it wasn't the expected idiotic post expecting somebody else to claim my rights for me,

Well its by far easier for some lazy tool sitting in a shelter job to go claiming rights, when hes not the one pondering the benefits of getting blackbooked(*) and what that does to his own personal job prospects.

Deciples: oh poor Jesus hes dying on the cross for our sins...
Jesus: I wouldn't have to die if you assholes would bring a ladder and a pair of pliers...

(*) yes they don't exist... neither is there any corruption in Finland

[daryl]

Well at least it wasn't the expected idiotic post expecting somebody else to claim my rights for me,

Well its by far easier for some lazy tool sitting in a shelter job to go claiming rights, when hes not the one pondering the benefits of getting blackbooked(*) and what that does to his own personal job prospects.

Deciples: oh poor Jesus hes dying on the cross for our sins...
Jesus: I wouldn't have to die if you assholes would bring a ladder and a pair of pliers...

(*) yes they don't exist... neither is there any corruption in Finland

True to form. I knew you wouldn't be able to resist, Hank. Now everyone should know that you are fair game in any business deal because you simply haven't got the gumption to claim your rights. Something to do with being afraid that the government/your employer/your next door neighbour/the old lady at the end of the street will beat you up in a dark alley.

Thank you for your contribution.

[Cathryn]

Well what do you expect when you come to this forum and say that you have left the country and are trying to get out of a legal contract you made while here? And you ask for help but you get pissed off when people ask for further details that might help to give your sorry ass relevant information. You really should work harder to not forget taking your pills each morning. You are the idiot for making a contract without thinking about the consequences. If you don't know that you will stay in Finland for 18 months, you don't make a contract like that. Bloody idiot foreigners.

And...breathe

[Pursuivant]

Now everyone should know that you are fair game in any business deal because you simply haven't got the gumption to claim your rights.

Ah firstly I usually know what I am doing and do only when I know.
Nevermind I don't believe in the justice system - I believe in getting even.

[daryl]

Now everyone should know that you are fair game in any business deal because you simply haven't got the gumption to claim your rights.

Ah firstly I usually know what I am doing and do only when I know.
Nevermind I don't believe in the justice system - I believe in getting even.

A contract is a legally enforceable exchange of promises. I understand that you know what you are doing with respect to your own promises and that you fully intend to keep them, but what sort of psychic, prophetic or clairvoyant powers are you claiming with respect to the promises of the other party?

The only lawful guarantee of involuntary performance is the enforcement power of the courts. Your claim to any other manner of enforcing involuntary performance is already a confession of criminal intent.

But perhaps we should leave it there before you dig yourself too deeply into this hole.

[Upphew]

Now everyone should know that you are fair game in any business deal because you simply haven't got the gumption to claim your rights.

Ah firstly I usually know what I am doing and do only when I know.
Nevermind I don't believe in the justice system - I believe in getting even.

A contract is a legally enforceable exchange of promises. I understand that you know what you are doing with respect to your own promises and that you fully intend to keep them, but what sort of psychic, prophetic or clairvoyant powers are you claiming with respect to the promises of the other party?

The only lawful guarantee of involuntary performance is the enforcement power of the courts. Your claim to any other manner of enforcing involuntary performance is already a confession of criminal intent.

But perhaps we should leave it there before you dig yourself too deeply into this hole.

I really haven't had a situation when I had to get even with company, or a person, in court or otherwise. But If I had to get even, as P said, first thing that I would do is waste peoples time. Fully legal as far as I know? And doing it as long as needed to accrue costs higher than my claim with them...

[Pursuivant]

I understand that you know what you are doing with respect to your own promises and that you fully intend to keep them, but what sort of psychic, prophetic or clairvoyant powers are you claiming with respect to the promises of the other party?

Its called a "reputation". Law of karma dictates if you screw people you get a bad one.

[interleukin]

I really haven't had a situation when I had to get even with company, or a person, in court or otherwise. But If I had to get even, as P said, first thing that I would do is waste peoples time. Fully legal as far as I know? And doing it as long as needed to accrue costs higher than my claim with them...

It´s assholes like this that keep the costs up for normal people who think about what they are signing before they do and who take the consequences of the contracts they make.

[Upphew]

I really haven't had a situation when I had to get even with company, or a person, in court or otherwise. But If I had to get even, as P said, first thing that I would do is waste peoples time. Fully legal as far as I know? And doing it as long as needed to accrue costs higher than my claim with them...

It´s assholes like this that keep the costs up for normal people who think about what they are signing before they do and who take the consequences of the contracts they make.

Now to think about it, only time that I almost resorted to wasting peoples time was when nice bloke called and told that after being so long a good customer of Saunalahti, they would give me free "viikonloppuetu", so my calls would only cost 1e/day(or weekend, i don't remember)... he just didn't remember to tell me that accepting that would make my contract stick for 18 months. And first call to the help desk didn't result in "Ok, our/telemarketers/someones fault, well fix that" and after that the first e-mail went unanswered for weeks. So you'd bet that if I had received a bill on top of that I would have started to waste their time. So is it me keeping normal people's prices high, or creative phonedrones and people who use them? Waste my time and I'll waste yours.