CAN YOU HIRE A FOREIGN NANNY TO FINLAND ?

sweetpetite · Post by **sweetpetite** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 12:17 am

I HAVE BEEN LIVING IN FINLAND FOR ALMOST 3 YEARS AND I HAVE BEEN COHABITING WITH MY SPOUSE WHILE I AM LIVING IN FINLAND. WE ARE NOT MARRIED YET BUT WE RECENTLY HAD A BABY BOY TOGETHER, HE'S USING HIS FATHER'S LAST NAME. IT SEEMS TO BE SO DIFFICULT TO HANDLE ONE BABY THAT I HARDLY EVEN MANAGE TO GET THINGS DONE. I HAVE A FRIEND LIVING IN PHILIPPINES AND SHE WILL BE PERFECT TO BE A STAY AT HOME NANNY. I AM WONDERING HOW IS THE SYSTEM TO TAKE A FOREIGN NANNY TO FINLAND AND DOES IT REQUIRE A STANDARD MONTHLY INCOME (UNFORTUNATELY WE ARE BOTH FREE LANCER MUSICIANS AND LIVE IN A MINIMUM MONTHLY INCOME). DOES ANYONE OF YOU HAD ANY EXPERIENCES? AND ANY IDEAS WHAT THINGS I HAVE TO DO AND CONSIDER SO THAT IT WILL BE POSSIBLE TO HIRE SOMEONE TO BE A NANNY FROM ANOTHER COUNTRY. IT WOULD REALLY HELP.. THANKS

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Tiwaz · Post by **Tiwaz** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 8:53 am

You should consider option of hiring your friend as an au pair if possible.
Trying to have her as nanny is going to be much more expensive and difficult as more paperwork etc is required.
Though this means your friend has to be from 17-30 years of age.

You and your spouse should contact verotoimisto for details. I found some information with short google but it was all in Finnish.

tunkkari · Post by **tunkkari** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 3:36 pm

Sorry to say but it sounds like you just want to get your friend into finland.......I have 5 children and am pregnant with my 6th and manage fine, the youngest of my kids are 4,3 and 1 and I survive and get things done, not easy but it still gets done. Before moving to finland I also managed to work in a busy critical care department and look after the family, so I cant see how 1 baby can really be so much trouble.

biscayne · Post by **biscayne** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 4:09 pm

Yeah, sorry if you take this as rudeness, but I have to agree, it does sound weird, the average Finnish woman manages with usually 2 children and a fulltime job outside the home, not to mention the housework, and they usually don't have their mothers or aunties constantly around to help out like in some other cultures where the extended family is really important. If you want to hire someone legally as a nanny, you will have to pay health contributions and taxes for them as well as a wage.

sweetpetite · Post by **sweetpetite** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 4:27 pm

I am sorry if you feel like that but if you were just going to tell me something else besides giving me tips of how to get a nanny, i don't think you have any right to judge me... I have a heart condition and i cannot get stress.. I am sorry if you think this is difficult for me

Pursuivant · Post by **Pursuivant** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 12:34 am

As said before look into the aupair thing - that probably is the best way working around this.

biscayne · Post by **biscayne** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 12:09 pm

I am sorry if you have health issues and finding it difficult with new baby. It was just that it did seem unusual. If you really want to get a nanny, as already posted, you will need to pay a wage (minimum set industrial wage at the least), taxes and healthcare, as well as possibly pension fund. This will work out quite expensive. I talked to my friend who worked up until last year in a big Finnish company with quite a lot of ex-pats from India, and some were married and had a baby here, often they wanted to get a family member or friend as a nanny, he said it was rather difficult, the authorities made it quite difficult as they were suspicious that it was a "way into Finland", and in at least 1 case, said this straight to the person applying for the visa on behalf of the prospective nanny. There were also some checks to make sure that the correct wage was being paid. The au-pair option is cheaper, but they must (as said on thread) be under 30 years.

tunkkari · Post by **tunkkari** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 3:06 pm

I am well aware of post natal depression ect but the op did not say anything about any medical conditon or pnd just it seemed so difficult having baby about she couldnt get things done, I would have thoughout if health had been an issue it would have been mentioned it her op, I was not the only one to jump to the same conclusion, and thats not the same as judging. If she does have a heart condition then fair be it. I may have medical conditions too but you judged me to be fit and healthy....We all go by what we read!

sabrina_fi · Post by **sabrina_fi** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 5:53 pm

I fully support sweetpetite, even if she didn't have the physical problem. I understand most Finish mum is able to handle more than 2 children easily, the situation is they have no choice coz the labour cost is extremely expensive here. (Of course you can say mum's duty is accompany baby and watch them growing up, but dont tell me you never ever compain a second for having no your own time at all)

I have a 4 month baby girl, In the past 4 months I handle her over work at home (only 2 or 3 hours at most). I miss my home country more than ever, coz all most all my friend and relative there have nannys. To hire a nanny is quite cheap, you can find a very good one with less than 300 euroes. Some of my friends even hire two nanny, one for taking care of baby and the other to do the house work and cook. And this doesn't affect mum spend much time to be with the kids. On the contrary, mum has a lot of her own time to reading, shopping, facial etc. Their babies love mum much more than nanny.

I dont think handling 5 or even more babies at the same time is need to be showed off. It is only because you have no choice. Of course you are capable, but you lose more. sorry to say that.

tunkkari · Post by **tunkkari** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 6:10 pm

I loose nothing I still have time for myself too, not so easy to do yes, but I chose to have them, I would not want them to be brought up by anyone else but myself, I didnt have kids to let someone else bring them up. I fail to see what I am loosing out on by taking care of my kids myself.
Yes they stress the life out of me at times but then again I didnt expect bringing up kids to be a walk in the park, I take them when they are good and bad, I am very proud of my kids and the fact that I am bringing them up, I may not have the money to hire a nanny but even if i did i wouldnt they are my kids and my responsibility, wouldnt have had them otherwise. I did have a choice, to have them or not to have them.

sabrina_fi · Post by **sabrina_fi** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 7:24 pm

I have to say your argument is quite intersting. What you said doesn't like to hire an nanny, it looks like the nanny adopt your baby:)

To hire a nanny is just like hire an assistant, you like the boss, family likes the company. The boss make the company run not the assistant. You children are bringing up by you of course, the nanny is only for assistance.

tunkkari · Post by **tunkkari** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 7:58 pm

Isnt that what your partner/husband and family is there for or friends even. At the end of the day I firmly believe that I had the kids that was my choice and they are my responsibility my opinion and obviously not yours. I do see the need at times for extra help with kids like when the parents have major health issues or the child itself has problems, a single mum strugling to cope on her own etc. Lets face it having children is a life changing situation and you have to be willing to care for the needs of the child first or why bother having them, cant have it all ways. Family is nothing like a business and cant be run like one (unless its the mafia). However this is now so far from the op topic.....

biscayne · Post by **biscayne** » Wed Oct 14, 2009 7:02 am

Mmm, as often is the case, this post is veering away from the question posed by the OP - she wants a nanny, preferably from her home country, and she has been given the answer that it will be expensive because in order to get the required visa she will have to employ the person under the same conditions that anyone would be employed in Finland - salary, health and pension benefits as well as paying all taxes. She cannot simply get someone over from a developing country and give them a couple of hundred euro per month for "pin money". The only cheaper alternative is an au pair and there are special restrictions on that.

What we are seeing here is a culture clash. Sabrin.fi, in Western Europe/North Europe, it just isn't the norm to have a "nanny" in the true sense of the word, a person who lives in your house and takes care of the child so mum can have time for herself and "facial". Because of the good day care system in Finland, most women work outside the home, child is in day care until picked up by mum or dad and then looked after for the rest of the day by mum and/or dad. Facials etc., are done when it can be fitted into whatever time is available. People do have babysitters, or maybe someone looks after the baby in your or their home while you are working as an alternative to the day care system, but it is usually done because mum is working, not because she needs free time. What the OP could consider doing, is getting someone to look after the baby for something like 2 afternoons a week or 2 days a week (finances allowing) so that she can either rest or do whatever she needs to do for her health etc.

It's not a case of being critical, it's just that to our "western" way of thinking, it is sort of almost sinful to have the baby in order to just hand it over to someone else so that you can go off and do stuff. Perhaps it isn't logical, but it is just unusual here. Personally, I would prefer to use the money for a house-cleaning service once a week to relieve me of the heavy stuff and then you can spend time with the baby.

Andythefinn · Post by **Andythefinn** » Wed Oct 14, 2009 6:02 pm

Ok, less of the !"#¤% everybody..
Yes you can hire from 'abroad'. The government here pays some, and you end up paying approximatly 250€ a week.
And if you want a nanny, go for it - don't let these whingers put you off..
seyah.

onkko · Post by **onkko** » Wed Oct 14, 2009 7:06 pm

Andythefinn wrote:Ok, less of the !"#¤% everybody..
Yes you can hire from 'abroad'. The government here pays some, and you end up paying approximatly 250€ a month.
And if you want a nanny, go for it - don't let these whingers put you off..
seyah.

Yes you can hire from 'abroad' if you can prove you cant find suitable one in finland or EU area.
Goverment pays from 160e to 295e month and you pay rest, if you want to get your friend here you need to pay proper wages and because youre probably her only client that means you have to pay enough so she can get a permit. We are talking expences way over 1000e/mo in here so forget that 250e. (full time nanny is atleast 1200e month + employee expences roughly 600e month).

About au pair http://www.migri.fi/netcomm/content.asp ... anguage=EN

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