Social Class

EP · Post by EP » Sat Nov 21, 2009 9:29 pm

parents' income and ability to rely on family loans still affect things.

Not true. Ability to get a part time job does. I have never loaned (or given) money to my adult children, neither have my friends. And I never got money from my parents after I moved from home when was 19. Everybody has managed.

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TampereOwl · Post by **TampereOwl** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 9:34 pm

EP wrote:
parents' income and ability to rely on family loans still affect things.
Not true. Ability to get a part time job does. I have never loaned (or given) money to my adult children, neither have my friends. And I never got money from my parents after I moved from home when was 19. Everybody has managed.

Yes, and I am sure that has not affected their behaviour in any way whatsoever, oh no.

EP · Post by EP » Sat Nov 21, 2009 9:40 pm

Why on earth would it have affected their behaviour?

Actually I remember one time that I gave money to my adult son. He wanted to go to a taxi driver course. I payed the course so that he could drive a taxi while he was studying.

EP · Post by EP » Sat Nov 21, 2009 9:41 pm

And that was something like 2000 marks at the time.

TampereOwl · Post by **TampereOwl** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 9:47 pm

EP wrote:Why on earth would it have affected their behaviour?

Actually I remember one time that I gave money to my adult son. He wanted to go to a taxi driver course. I payed the course so that he could drive a taxi while he was studying.

ehhm.....?

Has the penny dropped, then?

I know lots of Finns, some of them with families who have cottages and even second flats 'in town', and the ability to borrow money for things like the taxi course. Or so that they can be without a part time job for a month or two if they have more important things that need to be done. I have also met (would not say 'know') the same kind of trust-fund airhead that is common in certain British circles.

There's also the whole upbringing thing, that people who are brought up middle class know how to handle money, what they're allowed, how to 'improve themselves', and many people without that background just don't. In my Finnish experience most people tend to do the same kinds of things their parents did, just like they do in Britain. Those that don't are the exception, not the rule.

TampereOwl · Post by **TampereOwl** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 9:48 pm

EP wrote:And that was something like 2000 marks at the time.

The amount is really irrelevant - if you don't have the line of credit, you don't have it.

EP · Post by EP » Sat Nov 21, 2009 10:01 pm

Has the penny dropped, then?

OK, educate me. What does that mean?

TampereOwl · Post by **TampereOwl** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 10:05 pm

EP wrote:
Has the penny dropped, then?
OK, educate me. What does that mean?

I thought you'd realised how your financial security had affected your children.

EP · Post by EP » Sat Nov 21, 2009 10:10 pm

My financial security? I am a freelancer.

My children have always known the value of money and the value of education. 2000 marks is not irrelevant, it was less than people payed for one trip to Rhodes in those days. And paying that I could be assured that my son has a part time job so that he can support himself through university.

TampereOwl · Post by **TampereOwl** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 10:14 pm

EP wrote:My financial security? I am a freelancer.

My children have always known the value of money and the value of education. 2000 marks is not irrelevant, it was less than people payed for one trip to Rhodes in those days. And paying that I could be assured that my son has a part time job so that he can support himself through university.

Look, I realise you are exposed to 'classless' propaganda from a very young age, but can you really not understand that

1) some Finnish people can't afford to lend their kids the price of a holiday in Rhodes, and therefore
2) kids who can borrow that money have an advantage over their peers

????

h1_hsr · Post by **h1_hsr** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 10:35 pm

Hi, I am glad people are posting here; but can I ask for this topic not to get to hot under the collar please...

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brengun · Post by **brengun** » Sun Nov 22, 2009 2:03 am

i can NOT believe that we are so insecure that we seriously are going around worrying if my neighbour, who,s equally f8888D UP amid his exploitedness, might actually be kidded into respecting me COS I,M MIDDLE CLASS .wow, we are in trubbbble, then , we are in big trubble ;bring on the revolution in peoples minds and souls, like yesterday( i mean urgently) and spare us this torture.

Pursuivant · Post by **Pursuivant** » Sun Nov 22, 2009 11:13 am

Hmmm... coming to think of it I think I am quite freely mixing up social status and class. Basically if you can afford a Mercedes and a house in Westend you're posh even you'd never opened a book after grade 9.

TampereOwl · Post by **TampereOwl** » Sun Nov 22, 2009 11:56 am

Pursuivant wrote:Hmmm... coming to think of it I think I am quite freely mixing up social status and class. Basically if you can afford a Mercedes and a house in Westend you're posh even you'd never opened a book after grade 9.

What's the Finnish for 'vulgarity'?

Pursuivant · Post by **Pursuivant** » Sun Nov 22, 2009 3:28 pm

I think I can come up with a few vulgar expressions about that

But "showing off with money" is crass, like the Rytsöla brothers and their Lambourghinis... you just don't do stuff like that without being ridiculed.

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