Esperanto to help learn?

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Re: Esperanto to help learn?

Post by Rob A. » Tue Mar 02, 2010 11:48 pm

And I suppose another way to look at it would be if you want to learn both Esperanto and Finnish..... well, I think if it was me I would start with Esperanto....which should help you to be more "open minded" when learning Finnish..... :D ....
filecore wrote:To be honest, if you want to learn a made-up language, learn Klingon. It'll probably be closer to Finnish in any case, and most likely has more real-world possibilities for use than either Finnish or Esperanto.
I get your point...You have not experienced Shakespeare until you have read him in the original Klingon... .... :wink: ...notice the Bat'leth
in his left hand and that the skull is a Klingon skull....Hab SoSlI' Quch!....:D

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Re: Esperanto to help learn?

Post by Pursuivant » Wed Mar 03, 2010 12:11 am

filecore wrote:To be honest, if you want to learn a made-up language, learn Klingon. It'll probably be closer to Finnish in any case,
Just for having intercourse in the sausage stand queue at 03.15 I think it works, but afyer she says nuqneH... now how do you define the not-so-yet-dead-worms... eh?
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Something wicked this way comes."

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Re: Esperanto to help learn?

Post by Pursuivant » Wed Mar 03, 2010 12:13 am

tuulen wrote: and it turns out that Finnish is among the most difficult of all of the languages on planet Earth.
Maybe its also, Finns are the most difficult people on Earth :lol:
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Something wicked this way comes."

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Re: Esperanto to help learn?

Post by Pursuivant » Wed Mar 03, 2010 12:19 am

Rob A. wrote:]You have not experienced Shakespeare until you have read him in the original
ACT I

SCENE I

The Battlements of Elsinore Castle.

[Enter HAMLET, followed by GHOST.]
GHOST: Oi! Mush!
HAMLET: Yer?
GHOST: I was @#$%!
[Exit GHOST.]
HAMLET: O @#$%.
[Exit HAMLET.]

SCENE II
The Throneroom.
[Enter KING CLAUDIUS, GERTRUDE, HAMLET and COURT.]
CLAUDIUS: Oi! You, Hamlet, give over!
HAMLET: @#$% off, won't you?
[Exit CLAUDIUS, GERTRUDE, COURT.]
HAMLET: (Alone) They could have @#$% waited.
[Enter HORATIO.]
HORATIO: Oi! Watcha cock!
HAMLET: Weeeeey!
[Exeunt.]

SCENE III
Ophelia's Bedroom.
[Enter OPHELIA and LAERTES.]
LAERTES: I'm @#$% off now. Watch Hamlet doesn't slip you one while I'm gone.
OPHELIA: I'll be @#$% if he does.
[Exeunt.]

SCENE IV
The Battlements.
[Enter HORATIO, HAMLET and GHOST.]
GHOST: Oi! Mush, get on with it!
HAMLET: Who did it then?
GHOST: That w4#73r Claudius. He poured @#$% poison in my @#$% ear!
HAMLET: @#$% me!
[Exeunt.]

ACT II

SCENE I

A corridor in the castle.
[Enter HAMLET reading. Enter POLONIUS.]
POLONIUS: Oi! You!
HAMLET: @#$% off, grandad!
[Exit POLONIUS. Enter ROSENCRANZ and GUILDENSTERN.]
ROS & GUILD: Oi! Oi! Mucca!
HAMLET: @#$% off, the pair of you!
[Exit ROS & GUILD.]
HAMLET: (Alone) To @#$% or be @#$%.
[Enter OPHELIA.]
OPHELIA: My Lord!
HAMLET: @#$% off to a nunnery!
[They exit in different directions.]

ACT III

SCENE I

The Throne Room.
[Enter PLAYERS and all COURT.]
I PLAYER: Full thirty times hath Phoebus cart...
CLAUDIUS: I'll be @#$% if I watch any more of this crap.
[Exeunt.]

SCENE II
Gertrude's Bedchamber.
[Enter GERTRUDE and POLONIUS, who hides behind an arras.]
[Enter HAMLET.]
HAMLET: Oi! Slag!
GERTRUDE: Watch your @#$% mouth, kid!
POLONIUS: (From behind the curtain) Too right.
HAMLET: Who the @#$% was that?
[He stabs POLONIUS through the arras.]
POLONIUS: @#$%!
[POLONIUS dies.]
HAMLET: @#$%! I thought it was that other w4#73r.
[Exeunt.]

ACT IV

SCENE I
A Court Room.
[Enter HAMLET, CLAUDIUS.]
CLAUDIUS: @#$% off to England then!
HAMLET: Delighted, mush.

SCENE II
The Throne Room.
[Enter OPHELIA, GERTRUDE and CLAUDIUS.]
OPHELIA: Here, cop a whack of this.
[She hands GERTRUDE some rosemary and exits.]
CLAUDIUS: She's @#$% round the twist, isn't she?
GERTRUDE: (Looking out the window.) There is a willow grows aslant the brook.
CLAUDIUS: Get on with it, slag.
GERTRUDE: Ophelia's gone and @#$% drowned!
CLAUDIUS: @#$%! Laertes isn't half going to be browned off.
[Exeunt.]

SCENE III
A Corridor.
[Enter LAERTES.]
LAERTES: (Alone) I'm going to @#$% do this lot.
[Enter CLAUDIUS.]
CLAUDIUS: I didn't @#$% do it, mate. It was that w4#73r Hamlet.
LAERTES: Well, @#$% him.
[Exeunt.]

ACT V

SCENE I
Hamlet's Bedchamber.
[Enter HAMLET and HORATIO.]
HAMLET: I got this feeling I'm going to cop it, Horatio, and you know, I couldn't give a flying @#$%.
[Exeunt.]

SCENE II
Large Hall.
[Enter HAMLET, LAERTES, COURT, GERTRUDE, CLAUDIUS.]
LAERTES: Oi, w4#73r: let's get on with it.
HAMLET: Delighted, @#$%.
[They fight and both are poisoned by the poisoned sword.]
LAERTES: @#$%!
HAMLET: @#$%!
[The QUEEN drinks.]
GERTRUDE: @#$% odd wine!
CLAUDIUS: You drunk the wrong @#$% cup, you stupid cow!
[GERTRUDE dies.]
HAMLET: (Pouring the poison down CLAUDIUS'S throat) Well, @#$% you!
CLAUDIUS: I'm fair and squarely @#$%.
[CLAUDIUS dies.]
LAERTES: Oi, mush: no hard feelings, eh?
HAMLET: Yer.
[LAERTES dies.]
HAMLET: Oi! Horatio!
HORATIO: Yer?
HAMLET: I'm @#$%. The rest is @#$% silence.
[HAMLET dies.]
HORATIO: @#$%: that was no ordinary w4#73r, you know.
[Enter FORTINBRAS.]
FORTINBRAS: What the @#$%'s going on here?
HORATIO: A @#$% mess, that's for sure.
FORTINBRAS: No kidding. I see Hamlet's @#$%.
HORATIO: Yer.
FORTINBRAS: @#$% shame: @#$% good bloke.
HORATIO: Too @#$% right.
FORTINBRAS: @#$% this for a lark then. Let's piss off.
[Exeunt with alarums.]

*curtain*
"By the pricking of my thumbs,
Something wicked this way comes."

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Re: Esperanto to help learn?

Post by tuulen » Wed Mar 03, 2010 12:20 am

Pursuivant wrote:
tuulen wrote: and it turns out that Finnish is among the most difficult of all of the languages on planet Earth.
Maybe its also, Finns are the most difficult people on Earth :lol:
:lol:

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Re: Esperanto to help learn?

Post by filecore » Wed Mar 03, 2010 12:20 am

Pursuivant wrote:Just for having intercourse in the sausage stand queue at 03.15 I think it works, but afyer she says nuqneH... now how do you define the not-so-yet-dead-worms... eh?
Ah, the joys of drunken multicultural intercourse at 3am. Takes me right back to my student days.

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Re: Esperanto to help learn?

Post by honkanen » Wed Mar 03, 2010 12:51 am

haha nice Shakespeare!

filecore, it's not that I "want to learn a made-up language", it's that I want to do well in learning Finnish and if Esperanto can give me a one-up, I'd like to go that route. But on the other hand, I don't want to waste my time with Esperanto if it really is all hype and won't help me in Finnish at all. I know you were probably joking but I just did a quick google search on Esperanto (66,000,000 hits) vs Klingon (4,000,000). ;-)

I also wiki'd Esperanto. Wikipedia has over 250 languages and Esperanto is ranked 19th which beat Arabic (33rd), Czech (22nd), Interlingua (106th) and even Klingon (211th). I'm glad this discussion is going as I've searched more with the tips and knowledge gained here and found even more info out. Looks like there's upwards of 2 million Esperanto speakers around the globe and there's even a hospitality service (Pasporta Servo) which lets you stay for free in most countries when traveling. Plus, there seems to be a ton of literature and media in this language to use.

As I've mentioned, it seems that studying Esperanto before studying any other second language speeds and improves learning because learning subsequent foreign languages seems to be easier than learning one's first foreign language. If I can use a grammatically simple auxiliary language to lesson the first foreign language learning hurdle, it seems like taking a few months of learning Esperanto to give me that first foreign language leap onto Finnish would be more beneficial than taking years to learn French, Spanish, German, Russian, etc.. before leaping onto Finnish. another quote from some other website "one's first foreign language is the most difficult to learn. After that, adding an additional foreign language is easier. Since Esperanto is a very easy language to learn, it sets up the student for success in the target language".

Thanks for the continued discussion.. it's helping!

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Re: Esperanto to help learn?

Post by filecore » Wed Mar 03, 2010 10:11 am

honkanen wrote:I know you were probably joking but I just did a quick google search on Esperanto (66,000,000 hits) vs Klingon (4,000,000).
1) I was, indeed, joking.
2) Good grief. Google hits != reality. Now I sincerely hope you're joking.

Incidentally, I think you did your search wrong, because I just repeated it and got 15,200,000 hits for Klingon.

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Re: Esperanto to help learn?

Post by kalmisto » Wed Mar 03, 2010 12:46 pm

Pursuivant wrote:Esperanto? Close to something? :roll:
I wrote : "Esperanto is very similar to Italian and Spanish when it comes to VOCABULARY."
http://www.esperanto-chicago.org/glossary.htm

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Re: Esperanto to help learn?

Post by ajl » Wed Mar 03, 2010 12:49 pm

so would you be happy after 6 months of esperanto and 6 months of Finnish to be in the same place
you would be after 6 months of just Finnish? why not take latin, least it forces you to learn grammer
and it has 6 cases for the different declensions.
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Re: Esperanto to help learn?

Post by filecore » Wed Mar 03, 2010 12:55 pm

ajl wrote:why not take latin, least it forces you to learn grammer
:lol:
ajl wrote:and it has 6 cases for the different declensions.
Yep, so you'll be a bit less than halfway towards coping with Finnish (although when I first came here it was "16 but one isn't used much", then it was 15, then it was 14, and nowadays they only seem to be teaching 11 or 12 cases, if that).

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Re: Esperanto to help learn?

Post by ajl » Wed Mar 03, 2010 12:57 pm

another possible plus for latin..
is there still a radio station broadcasting using latin in Finland?
moving is in the bad <-> crazy continuum

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Re: Esperanto to help learn?

Post by ajl » Wed Mar 03, 2010 12:59 pm

latin can help with spelling, but not all spelling, e.g. grammar above. That's why Finnish is so great.
If only I could hear everything that a native Finn can hear then I could spell Finnish better.
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Re: Esperanto to help learn?

Post by kalmisto » Wed Mar 03, 2010 1:03 pm

honkanen

Esperanto would make a very poor job in preparing your brain for the complexities of Finnish grammar. Icelandic would be a much better alternative :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icelandic_grammar

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Re: Esperanto to help learn?

Post by kalmisto » Wed Mar 03, 2010 1:22 pm

honkanen

Take a course in Navajo ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navajo_language ) !
After that Finnish will feel like a walk in the park.


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