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[kelly1305]

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[rinso]

Why is it so important to speak the finnish langauge, when you most likely not actually gonna need it if your cleaning a toilet?

The foreman who has to tell you what to do (and what don't) doesn't speak English. And they are not going to change the foreman if they can find plenty of people who speak better Finnish than you do.

but come on..... how is anyone given the chance to learn?

The employers main concern is making money and keeping the shareholders happy.
No the fate of immigrants.
" "
"Yes sir, we did make a loss this year. Yes it was mainly because of mistakes due to language problems. But we did give those immigrants a chance".
" "
"Yes sir, I understand that my promotion will be postponed indefinitely."

[maurine]

i am sorry that you haven't been able to find work yet, bare in mind that there are thousands like you too looking for jobs, i guess its more easier if you know somebody who knows someone then they can put a word through.at the moment the main excuses for many employees is that you must speak Finnish. Don't give up, keep trying. Good luck

[kelly1305]

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[tuulen]

Now you are in Finland, and now you have a new language "mountain" to climb. That will call for your concentration and effort, but maybe it could be useful if you focus on learning words that could apply especially to the employment you seek. You can still use all of the language rules that you are now learning, but begin practicing sentences that you could imagine using if you get the job that you are looking for.

[magenta22]

I can see your point Kelly and I agree.

I have seen jobs advertised that are in English and specifically want people who are native english speakers yet they don't seem to give those people a chance.

I too am learning Finnish, in my own time here in the UK. I understand that the line manager would need to give instructions but in international companies surely English is also spoken so they would be able to do this. If you are not applying for a high ranking role where Finnish is required they should give you a chance.

Thanks for the heads up Kelly, I may be moving to Finland in the near future and still not fluent.

[kelly1305]

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[rinso]

an immigrant that dont know the language might do a better job!

that is not the point.
the majority of mistakes are made due to miscommunication.
if you know in advance there might be a communications problem, they can put the blame on you.
it is easy to avoid this by picking someone else.
there is no incentive for HR managers to hire non lingo foreigners.

[MikeD]

Even with good qualifications from their own country isn't good enough for here, it seems to be all about qualifications and degrees! Not common sense or life experiences!

Imagine you were the person in charge of hiring someone for a job (in a Finnish company which operates in Finland and does its business in Finnish) and you had the choice (as they usually do) of choosing person A, who is a native speaker of Finnish, has Finnish qualifications and work experience in Finland, or person B, who only speaks a few words of Finnish, has foreign qualifications (that you don't quite understand) and no experience of working in Finland, what possible motivation (apart from feeling sympathy for the poor bugger) could you have to choose person B in this particular case?

[Upphew]

Imagine you were the person in charge of hiring someone for a job (in a Finnish company which operates in Finland and does its business in Finnish) and you had the choice (as they usually do) of choosing person A, who is a native speaker of Finnish, has Finnish qualifications and work experience in Finland, or person B, who only speaks a few words of Finnish, has foreign qualifications (that you don't quite understand) and no experience of working in Finland, what possible motivation (apart from feeling sympathy for the poor bugger) could you have to choose person B in this particular case?

To not pay for the overtime, to not pay vacation salary, bonuses, not bothering with term of notice, etc.

[Rick1]

Ah those are the 40 percent of the 100 who still want to have more foreigners in Finland Estonians, Polish and others who want to do it for less then minimum. It is working great in the EU and the lady for foreign affairs needs a private plane (soo much travelling to all those informal meetings).

[Pursuivant]

You've been here a *couple of weeks*, and you have *gotten answers*

So I don't understand what you are all about - theres no jobs - or for the job theres the 400 000 unemployeds applying for them. I could understand if you had been at it a couple of months. Right now the slump isn't looking like getting dramatically better either.

[Upphew]

Right now the slump isn't looking like getting dramatically better either.

Those poor dockers...

edit. Kelly, if you have worked at docks, there might be some work to do

[kelly1305]

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[EP]

If someone who has had experience in the work before and knows what they are doing, and meets all the requirements apart from only speaking a little of the langauge,, id give em a shot..

And so would I. But if there is someone who knows the same PLUS the language I would not hesitate which one I hire. The job situation is really miserable for all, Finns included. There is a small market nearby, and they needed a cashier. In the end there where over 30 applications for that simple job. All Finns.