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[Mölkky-Fan]

The answer is very simple. People shouldn`t give them money. No money means that they have to leave. This is a long term solution but believe me it is very good. Or another solution would be that the police shouldn`t let them stay and beg, or the guards form the metro stations. They should hunt them and kick their asses. I don`t know what else. But the most effective is the one I said at the beginning.

Then there will not be any beggars, but instead pickpockets and thieves... great Unless of course the beggars have the morals not to steal... I think the answer is not 'very simple' and I do not believe you that this solution is 'very good'.

If things were that simple the problems would have been dealt with a long time ago, in all countries.

[filipdragos]

You are not the ones that keep the country clean and beautiful. The immigrants do that.

Yes, like the Romanian beggars make Helsinki clean and beautiful.

My stupid, ignorant, racist Finnish friend, in Helsinki are a lot of beggers: from Serbia, Bulgaria, Estonia and other countries. So watch your words. Don`t change this topic in something you want. Don`t forget that Finnish people have no value outside Finland borders. Your are smart and valuable in your country. And don`t forget one thing: it is very easy to label people. If Romanian equals begger then Finnish equals dirty smelly drunk people. OK. So let`s not get to this things. I know that you think about yourselves as being very smart but you are not actually. And about the beggers the solution is simple. They won`t become thieves if you don`t give them money. They would leave. Your country it is not easy to live in because of the climate and they will go back to other warm countries. AnywaysI think you have a good police system and I don`t think that thieves will have a chance there. In Germany in the beginning of the 90`s they had big problems with the gypsies. Ask them how they manage to kick them out of the country if you are not able to think a method. And one other thing I think you should take care at other potential threats that are more dangerous in Finland like those guys that become so depressed that have a gun and start shooting people in the supermarket or like that teenager who killed 7 students in that school a few years ago. That guy was not Romanian or other nation, that guy was Finnish. Good luck!

[Pursuivant]

Don`t forget that Finnish people have no value outside Finland borders.

And what value were you?

And about the beggers the solution is simple. They won`t become thieves if you don`t give them money. They would leave.

Yes well the newspapers contradicted that just last week - the carjacking business started again.

Ask them how they manage to kick them out of the country if you are not able to think a method.

How about you take care of the problem - after all they are your problem.

[jazzori]

Finland people are narrow minded and they are communicative only when they are drunk. . I am sorry to tell this but it is the truth. Probably I will go back home and rejoin the field of journalism and I will do my best to write articles based on my experience here. And I will make sure to create the image that this country deserves. All the best wishes for the immigrants in Finland and for the others ones that are thinking of coming here they should think twice before making this step. Cheers !!!

I understand your frustration, but I wouldn't take it this far. I've had the best experiences with people and my friends are Finns that talk to me and ask me out even when sober.. : -)
I think what you experienced is a bad facet of how things can go here, but if you are right when it comes to the job situation, I wouldn't recommend generalisation about people's attitude.. Propagating the bad stereotypes about Finns would be as unfair, in my opinion, as the propagation of the idea that all Romanians are thieves/beggars.

And this comes from a Romanian..

Sorry things haven't worked out for you. I was really close to going home at some point, but after I bought the ticket, I received a call from someone that wanted me for babysitting and that call changed everything..

[Pursuivant]

Well it would be good to have for once someone write something *realistic* istead of these high hope rose-tinted-glasses kind of articles that get people come in and find out the reality. The dogs don't have the donuts in their tails. And the thumb rule is no-speak = no-work. Unless you are a) extremely lucky b) have a network ready c) get hired into a profession the language isn't the key factor which then means either the bottom rung of the ladder or the top rung of the ladder. Nobody will hire you because they think it would be nice to give you a chance. Theres no chances and a huge competition for any open job right now. If and when the economy picks up then the situation is different - and at the time with the still free education, that is one way in but you must still remember the importance of language & networking.

[jazzori]

a) extremely lucky

I guess I'm one of those. That temp job got me into the system and, afterwords, was easier for me to start studying here. However, I don't enjoy at all thinking back of the times of struggle for survival here.
I still feel it's somehow injust (at least from my side) to bitch about the Finns for they helped so much.
For example, I remember when I was actually homeless for a week or so, looking for a room, any kind, to move in even for a month or so and a friend of a friend of a friend : ) which only saw me two times before gave me the keys to her flat to spend that week over there while she was on holiday. And that's only one example that I won't forget; there are others, too..

[pierrot]

Believe me I would be very happy to know that in Finland the Romanian beggers are gone. The answer is very simple. People shouldn`t give them money. No money means that they have to leave. This is a long term solution but believe me it is very good. Or another solution would be that the police shouldn`t let them stay and beg, or the guards form the metro stations. They should hunt them and kick their asses. I don`t know what else. But the most effective is the one I said at the beginning.

Or even easier, put up a compulsive visa for Romanian and Bulgarian citizens until their governements sorted out the mess. No more visa-free journeys to FInland for their citizens. That would solve the issue for FInland quickly.

[filipdragos]

Believe me I would be very happy to know that in Finland the Romanian beggers are gone. The answer is very simple. People shouldn`t give them money. No money means that they have to leave. This is a long term solution but believe me it is very good. Or another solution would be that the police shouldn`t let them stay and beg, or the guards form the metro stations. They should hunt them and kick their asses. I don`t know what else. But the most effective is the one I said at the beginning.

Or even easier, put up a compulsive visa for Romanian and Bulgarian citizens until their governements sorted out the mess. No more visa-free journeys to FInland for their citizens. That would solve the issue for FInland quickly.

I totally agree. It was the biggest mistake to give Romanians and Bulgarians the right to travel free in the EU. I, as a Romanian, agree with this. Bring the Visa back. A great solution. I didn`t start talking bad things about the Finnish people. I defended myself when I or other people like myself are associated with the beggers or thieves. I don`t label people. I just replied in the same manner. I said that Finland is a nice country and then came the ironic reply of how Finnish manage to keep it that way- by kicking people like myself out of the country. You shouldn`t kick people like me out, you should kick the ones that deserve but in the same time I don`t deserve a treatment like a begger because I am not one. And believe me, even though I don`t have a Master`s Degree yet, I have enough time to get that. Even a PHD. That is all I tried to say. That most of the Finnish people label immigrants unfair. It is not my fault that some beggers came from my country and did bad things somewhere in Europe. Why should I be the victim of somebody else`s bad deeds. I study, I want to work in an honest environment...why am I supposed to carry on my shoulders the title of a begger or worse of a thief. This is the unfair thing I am talking about. Please try to understand what I am trying to say and don`t misunderstand me. I came in Finland not to live on the Finnish state money. Because I don`t have that right. During the 6 months I stayed in Finland I was a tourist, I didn`t have any rights and didn`t ask for any. I just tried to find a job. It wasn`t possible, that is no problem. It is recession and I understand the situation. I spent around 8000 euro in Finland from my money. So I don`t deserve to be associated with a begger. It is a big difference between me or the Romanian students that study in Finland and the beggers that you see at the Railway station. A big big difference and Finnish people should be capable to make that difference. The problem is that they don`t.

[filipdragos]

Don`t forget that Finnish people have no value outside Finland borders.

And what value were you?

I never considered myself of being a big value.

And about the beggers the solution is simple. They won`t become thieves if you don`t give them money. They would leave.

Yes well the newspapers contradicted that just last week - the carjacking business started again.

Don`t believe everything the newspapers write.

Ask them how they manage to kick them out of the country if you are not able to think a method.

How about you take care of the problem - after all they are your problem.

It is not my problem. And it is not Romania`s problem. They became citizens of our country coming from somewhere else. Most of them a gypses and gypses don`t belong to a certain race. It is the problem of the country they live in. They have to live somewhere in Finland, under some roof, the problem begins from that point. The people that helped them find a place to stay the people that wrote in Finnish on their begging plates, etc...Try to think about this problem from a different perspective, from an objective one. Ask yourself who helped those beggers get into the so closed Finnish society, how did they managed to have a roof over their heads when the rents are so expensive, how did they manage to do so many things when they don`t even speak English (they don`t speak Romanian that well, they have their own language), etc...Just think about it before judging or labeling.

[Pursuivant]

It is not my problem. And it is not Romania`s problem. They became citizens of our country coming from somewhere else.

Yes, a couple of hundreds of years ago. So deal with it.

Ask yourself who helped those beggers get into the so closed Finnish society, how did they managed to have a roof over their heads when the rents are so expensive,

Yes, the communists to get themselves a proletariat.

[rinso]

That most of the Finnish people label immigrants unfair. It is not my fault that some beggers came from my country and did bad things somewhere in Europe. Why should I be the victim of somebody else`s bad deeds.

As a journalist you should have realized that labelling is in the human nature. Especially negative labelling. When you have a negative experience, you start to distrust the whole group until that negative experience is compensated with several positive ones.
And since you probably try to avoid that group, it might take a long time.

[microieva]

Seems like everyone here fell into a very 'nice and friendly' discussion, but its a bit off the topic, so would anyone please give some advise how can a decent and educated (just about to finish Master's in ecology) Lithuanian girl find a decent full-time job in Helsinki so that she could make her old dream come true to live there !?...

[rinso]

find a decent full-time job in Helsinki

There are 5 pages of advise and discussion about this subject.
You should be able to find all the information you need in this topic.

[microieva]

right, thank you

[EP]

A big big difference and Finnish people should be capable to make that difference. The problem is that they don`t.

Actually they do. There was a whole page in yesterday´s Hesari about that. Around 90% has nothing against work-related immigration.