HOW to use OLEN MENOSSA

[missvietfin]

Hi friends,

Would somebody kindly tell me how to use phases like OLLA MENOSSA. I sometime saw this but dont know its meaning and how to use it properly.

Thank you very much in advance.

Rgds,

[Jukka Aho]

Would somebody kindly tell me how to use phases like OLLA MENOSSA. I sometime saw this but dont know its meaning and how to use it properly.

Olen menossa uimaan huomenna.
“I’m going [to go] swimming tomorrow.”

Olen menossa uimaan juuri nyt.
“I’m going swimming right now.” (I’m on my way there.)

Olen menossa uimaan.
“I’m going [to go] swimming.” (Either now or in the future, depending on the context.)

Olin jo menossa nukkumaan kun salama iski.
“I was already on my way to bed when the lightning struck.”

Aiotko mennä tänään kauppaan?
“Are you going [to go] to the store today?”
Olen jo menossa.
“I’m already on my way.”

Olen menossa elokuviin illalla.
“I’m going to the movie tonight.”

Olen menossa soittamaan viulua konserttitalolle.
“I’m going to go and play the violin at the concert hall.” / “I’m on my way to play the violin at the concert hall.”

olla menossa jonnekin = to be going [to go] someplace, to be planning to go someplace, to be heading some way, to be on your way to somewhere (the target in the illative or the allative case)

olla menossa tekemään jotakin = to be going to do something, to be on your way to do something (the third infinitive in the illative case + the target in the partitive)

olla menossa tekemään jotakin jonnekin = to be going to do something someplace; a combination of the two above forms

[missvietfin]

Hi Jukka,

Thank you so much for your information.

By the way, can i ask you one more question. Is it possible to change all verbs to this form SSA-SSÄ, let s say, like mennä to menossä, käyttää to käytössä...., or there are only some certain verbs which can be used in this form.

Regards,

[Jukka Aho]

By the way, can i ask you one more question. Is it possible to change all verbs to this form SSA-SSÄ, let s say, like mennä to menossä, käyttää to käytössä...., or there are only some certain verbs which can be used in this form.

I think these require nominalizing the verb first, then using that newly-created noun in the inessive case.

tehdä (verb) → teko (noun) → teossa (the same noun in the inessive case)
mennä (verb) → meno (noun) → menossa (the same noun in the inessive case)
lentää (verb) → lento (noun) → lennossa (the same noun in the inessive case)
juosta (verb) → juoksu (noun) → juoksussa (the same noun in the inessive case)
nauraa (verb) → nauru (noun) → naurussa (the same noun in the inessive case)
olla (verb) → olo (noun) → olossa (the same noun in the inessive case)

etc.

I guess you should be able to do this for all the verbs, at least in principle...

[missvietfin]

Your information is really helpful

Thank you so much Jukka

[garoowood]

By the way, can i ask you one more question. Is it possible to change all verbs to this form SSA-SSÄ, let s say, like mennä to menossä, käyttää to käytössä...., or there are only some certain verbs which can be used in this form.

I think these require nominalizing the verb first, then using that newly-created noun in the inessive case.

tehdä (verb) → teko (noun) → teossa (the same noun in the inessive case)
mennä (verb) → meno (noun) → menossa (the same noun in the inessive case)
lentää (verb) → lento (noun) → lennossa (the same noun in the inessive case)
juosta (verb) → juoksu (noun) → juoksussa (the same noun in the inessive case)
nauraa (verb) → nauru (noun) → naurussa (the same noun in the inessive case)
olla (verb) → olo (noun) → olossa (the same noun in the inessive case)

etc.

I guess you should be able to do this for all the verbs, at least in principle...

Is there a rule on how to norminalize the verbs?

[Jukka Aho]

Is there a rule on how to norminalize the verbs?

There are many ways to nominalize verbs... for different purposes: for producing the name of the action, for producing the name for the result of that action, for producing the name for someone who performs that action etc.

See VISK § 221 and onwards for some categories and examples. Note that for the most part, this has already been “done” for you: the derived words are everyday words you can find in a dictionary so deriving such forms afresh is not necessarily a skill you need to master. It’s more of a question of mastering the existing, established vocabulary and making the mental connection from the verb to the various words derived from that verb so you can call up the related words if needed. Being able to recognize some of the common patterns – at least on some subconscious “hunch” level – might come handy, of course.