Status for new born in Finland

Yvaine · Post by **Yvaine** » Fri May 14, 2010 6:40 pm

If parents are not a Finland citizens/permanent residents, a only permit visa A how about new born baby on territory of Finland?
is it the same as born on territories of USA automatically gets USA citizenship? or any other way?
Thank you.

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ajl · Post by **ajl** » Fri May 14, 2010 7:01 pm

an excerpt in a faq on citizenship on www.migri.fi

4. Is the child born of foreign parents in Finland granted Finnish citizenship?

If the child is not granted the citizenship of another state, and does not have the secondary right to acquire the citizenship of another state on the basis of its birth, for example, through the confirmation of paternity or through declaration procedure, the child is granted Finnish citizenship.

The child is also granted Finnish citizenship on the basis of place of birth, if the parents have refugee status or they are receiving protection against the authorities of the state of which they are citizens, and if the child would not be able to acquire the citizenship of either of its parents without the assistance of the authorities of that state.

EP · Post by EP » Fri May 14, 2010 7:03 pm

is it the same as born on territories of USA automatically gets USA citizenship

No, I think nowadays US is the only country with that practise.

Usually the child follows mother´s citizenship.

ajl · Post by **ajl** » Fri May 14, 2010 8:15 pm

suprisingly (well, as far as one can trust wikipedia articles) lots of countries do that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli

Pursuivant · Post by **Pursuivant** » Sat May 15, 2010 7:18 am

Finns follow the biblical jewish system of maternal lineage - the child is a Finn if its born to a Finnish mother regardless of where...

LEKANSMART · Post by **LEKANSMART** » Sat May 29, 2010 11:56 am

I do not agree with you about the Jewish law,Finns historically are not in any way connected to the Jews.Why is it then, that the baby of a foreigner mother married to a finnish man is issued Finnish citizenship,if truly we will follow your maternal lineage theory?Foreigners babies in Finland are not issued Finnish citizenship if the parents themselves do not have Finnish citinship simply because the system is structurally anti Immigrant and do not want to encourage foreigners to live in Finland.Ofcourse all foreigners are aware of this and those who will choose to stay will stay.

Mook · Post by **Mook** » Sat May 29, 2010 1:06 pm

LEKANSMART wrote:Why is it then, that the baby of a foreigner mother married to a finnish man is issued Finnish citizenship,if truly we will follow your maternal lineage theory?

Hank's theory applies to Finnish mothers. The mother in your example is not Finnish , so the theory does not apply.

LEKANSMART wrote:..do not want to encourage foreigners to live in Finland.

Encouraging foreigners to live in Finland could be seen as being unethical.... imagine the kind of life that the poor ba5tards will have here.

LEKANSMART · Post by **LEKANSMART** » Sun May 30, 2010 1:41 pm

@mook.Really,there is no point replying you.Your post does not have a meaning,similar to the posts of faceless people that just hide under the computer to talk.Please think before you talk.

Pursuivant · Post by **Pursuivant** » Sun May 30, 2010 2:05 pm

LEKANSMART wrote:I do not agree with you about the Jewish law,Finns historically are not in any way connected to the Jews.Why is it then, that the baby of a foreigner mother married to a finnish man is issued Finnish citizenship,if truly we will follow your maternal lineage theory?

The child gets the mother's citizenship as a birthright, the father is a fringe benefit.

Foreigners babies in Finland are not issued Finnish citizenship if the parents themselves do not have Finnish citinship simply because the system is structurally anti Immigrant and do not want to encourage foreigners to live in Finland.

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Yes indeed, we encourage people to get the citizenship and not stay "foreigners".

rinso · Post by **rinso** » Sun May 30, 2010 2:31 pm

Finn + Finn => Finn
foreign + foreign => foreign
Finn + foreign => Finn or Finn + foreign.
So you need to have Finnish blood to be born a Finn.

Mook · Post by **Mook** » Sun May 30, 2010 3:48 pm

LEKANSMART wrote:@mook.Really,there is no point replying you.

does this make you feeling a bit pointless,
then?

LEKANSMART · Post by **LEKANSMART** » Sun May 30, 2010 3:56 pm

rinso wrote:Finn + Finn => Finn
foreign + foreign => foreign
Finn + foreign => Finn or Finn + foreign.
So you need to have Finnish blood to be born a Finn.

What about Immigrant that got a Finnish passport by declaration and got married to an immigrant .His or her children will automatically get the Finnish passport,Where is the Finnish blood?

LEKANSMART · Post by **LEKANSMART** » Sun May 30, 2010 3:58 pm

Mook wrote:
LEKANSMART wrote:@mook.Really,there is no point replying you.
does this make you feeling a bit pointless,
then?

Not at all,i am here to learn and am learning from well meaning posts,not some already biased minds against immigrants.

Pursuivant · Post by **Pursuivant** » Sun May 30, 2010 4:04 pm

LEKANSMART wrote: What about Immigrant that got a Finnish passport by declaration and got married to an immigrant .His or her children will automatically get the Finnish passport,Where is the Finnish blood?

In the persons veins who could get the citizenship "by declaration".

LEKANSMART · Post by **LEKANSMART** » Sun May 30, 2010 4:09 pm

Pursuivant wrote:
LEKANSMART wrote:I do not agree with you about the Jewish law,Finns historically are not in any way connected to the Jews.Why is it then, that the baby of a foreigner mother married to a finnish man is issued Finnish citizenship,if truly we will follow your maternal lineage theory?
The child gets the mother's citizenship as a birthright, the father is a fringe benefit.

Foreigners babies in Finland are not issued Finnish citizenship if the parents themselves do not have Finnish citinship simply because the system is structurally anti Immigrant and do not want to encourage foreigners to live in Finland.

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Yes indeed, we encourage people to get the citizenship and not stay "foreigners".[/quote]
Thank you,i learn something new from you,my advise for immigrants is to migrate to countries that operate a different birth policy and grant right of citizenship to a child at birth as the childs right.

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