Mom as Nanny (from Asia)

[rinso]

Since you mentioned €250,- and 30 years, you probably have read:
http://www.migri.fi/netcomm/content.asp ... ,2707,2742

If I read it, it is clear that a grandmother will not be considered as an au-pair. So if you want to do it, she has to apply for a normal residence permit based on work. And that will result in all the objections already mentioned.

[Upphew]

Food and lodging are taxable income.

[Pursuivant]

Yes, you need to find a simple majority to pass the legislation in Parliament to make them change the immigration law into what you like.

Well, I am not a citizen and thus the grandmother case under discussion will not apply to "us" . Nanny is an employment relationship with payments, taxes etc.

I was more thinking of raising the au-pair age from 30. But the au-pair is pretty restricted a category.

Basically, if you hire a nanny and not an au-pair, you need to pay the nanny according to the "nanny-union wages" whatever that would fall under (childcare/nursing?) and get the local authorities to approve it & all that. Not necessarily easy, but people hire cousins and villagemen for their businesses, so its not that it can't be done. And they are loosening the requirements of the "preassesment" apparently.

Actually, in the case of "granny" you would be the best off if you were some other EU-country as then you can put granny in the baggage... non-EU or Finnish get the short end of the stick.

[character]

I think you are on the right path in that you are asking questions and considering possible strategies and not just assuming things without finding them out. I hope it works out to get her here.

Bundle of thanks for the encouragement!

[character]

That is why I would like to know the proper steps for getting a nanny . Well, if the language requirement are not that "impressive" I will have to draft some better ones .

Advice is much appreciated.

You try to find one in Finland, then you try to find one in EU. If you have done that and can prove it so the authorities believe you, you can find one outside of EU.
Then you need to take care of wages, taxes, insurances, healthcare, worksafety etc etc... better to start read up. Some pointer: migri.fi tax.fi palkka.fi tyosuojelu.fi

Exactly! Unfortunately, migra-,vero,palkka.fi and other websites do not have detailed information . Actually, that is why I have asked here - probably I am going to get some exact information here like (I am just guessing here):
1) Register yourself as an employer 2) Publish the Ad on mol.fi??? 3) Keep the Ad open for 15(+) days 4) if no one applies post it to EU level job board (what coudl that be??) and so on 5) keep it there for 1 month 6) Propose mom from outside EU. 7) ??? ??? 9).................

It would be so much simpler if someone who has hired or knows the process of hiring a Nanny from outside Finland (not necessarily a mother) could detail these steps. Actually the Nanny being my mother is just a detail that can be avoided for discussions of the procedures

[character]

Since you mentioned €250,- and 30 years, you probably have read:
http://www.migri.fi/netcomm/content.asp ... ,2707,2742

If I read it, it is clear that a grandmother will not be considered as an au-pair. So if you want to do it, she has to apply for a normal residence permit based on work. And that will result in all the objections already mentioned.

Rinso, as in my original post, I already mentioned that she does not qualify for being an AU Pair => and then applying for normal "nanny based" residence permit is a choice that I would take.

But, what is the whole process i.e. what do I have to do, and what are the payments to be done? That is the BIG question :)

[character]

Basically, if you hire a nanny and not an au-pair, you need to pay the nanny according to the "nanny-union wages" whatever that would fall under (childcare/nursing?) and get the local authorities to approve it & all that. Not necessarily easy, but people hire cousins and villagemen for their businesses, so its not that it can't be done.

Excellent. If Mr. BusinessMan can get a cousin or villageman here for his business, why I cannot get a Nanny . I will try to trace the exact union that deals with the Nanny issues (by calling some Au Pair/Nanny agency). But still, the wages are just one piece of the puzzle and I want to build the whole puzzle here i.e. taxes, benefits etc - with your help of course .

One other option is the consult and hire a lawyer who knows the mambo jambo. Any recommendations??

And they are loosening the requirements of the "preassesment" apparently.

What is the "official" way to satisfy the preassessment? Any clues?

Actually, in the case of "granny" you would be the best off if you were some other EU-country as then you can put granny in the baggage... non-EU or Finnish get the short end of the stick.

Ah! Only if I could re-write the history or write the future !!!

[Upphew]

Basically, if you hire a nanny and not an au-pair, you need to pay the nanny according to the "nanny-union wages" whatever that would fall under (childcare/nursing?) and get the local authorities to approve it & all that. Not necessarily easy, but people hire cousins and villagemen for their businesses, so its not that it can't be done.

Excellent. If Mr. BusinessMan can get a cousin or villageman here for his business, why I cannot get a Nanny .

You can, but you don't want Mr BusinessMan's cousin nor his villageman...
Bringing nanny from outside the EU won't help with unemployment numbers -> more hoops to jump through, some of which might be unjumpable.

[character]

Bringing nanny from outside the EU won't help with unemployment numbers -> more hoops to jump through, some of which might be unjumpable.

Actually, getting a nanny here will improve unemployment numbers. She is as normal an employee as one IT guru hired by Nokia and brought here.
If we leave the mother/grandmother thingy out, (I can only guess) that getting a Nanny from outside EU should be a rather known/used case.

Nevertheless, You are very right - at the end, the decision is based on circumstancial evidence , and that makes it unjumpable sometimes .

[itsme]

You should be able to do it, as I've been there and done that. My mother in law was hired from Asia to be a nanny for our kids, we made a work contract with her, paid her the agreed salary, paid her income tax, bought the required insurances, paid all the fees...

I recommend you first call Työvoimatoimisto. We put a job ad for MOL to look for a nanny inside Finland, didn't find a suitable candidate (received only one application, which we didn't think was suitable for the job). We had to provide a clarification to Työvoimatoimisto about received contacts and why they were not chosen. After providing the requested info, we got thumbs up from Työvoimatoimisto -> then apply for the actual RP from Immigration service.

If you get her the RP -> nanny flies to Finland, you will need to make a work contract with her and go to Maistraatti within a week (call them beforehand for the details since I can't remember everything). Then of course open a bank account for her.

Concerning the required salary level, there is no collective work contract for nannies, but I understood that the authorities consider something like 1200-1300 eur/month adequate to "survive". Part of this (400 something, find out from tax office!) can be provided as accommodation & food, meaning if nanny gets free accommodation & food, the actual money you will have to pay her as salary will be approx 800+ eur/month. The 400+ amount for accommodation is considered income by the tax guy. Ask the tax office also about getting a tax card for the nanny!

Other expenses will include buying her a work pension insurance (TYEL) from a pension insurance company (e.g. Eläke-Fennia, ask them for more info), and unemplyment insurance and accident insurance from any insurance company (again, contact one, they will tell you details).

If it seems too simple so far, don't worry, there's plenty more bureaucracy to come!

With the rest, Palkka.fi will be your friend - you can use it to make monthly payment certificates, invoices for the salary & other fees, to calculate her income tax (which you will pay after deducting the amount from her salary), social security fee, emplyee's share of work pension fee, employee's share of unemployment insurance fee etc... Use Palkka.fi, it will guide you through the bureaucratic labyrinth

That's all I've still got in fresh memory, hope it gets you started. Most importantly, CALL työkkäri, CALL maistraatti, CALL tax office, CALL the insurance companies, they have all the details you will need. And keep all the records of payments etc, you might need them to prove that the work contract is really implemented as agreed in the real world and not only on paper!

[MovingToFinland]

If you have any questions about taxation or Finnish social insurance (Kela) you should contact In To Finland service point. In To is the service point of the Social Insurance Institution of Finland (Kela) and Finnish Tax Administrationnt for employees moving to, self-employed persons, students and companies hiring and recruiting foreign labour. Visit their website www.intofinland.fi to find out more.

[foreigner]

You can also contact the Finnish Embassy in your home country to get some information on this subject!

BTW, can you kindly update the result of your efforts here later (whether you succeed or not?) .

[character]

@itsme
WOW! This is what I am talking about. Thanks a million times, mate!
Since you have done this yourself, I might have some specific questions on the subject later. Hope you can take out some time to answer..

@MoveToFinland: sure, i will get contact with intofinland - this seems to be quite useful for living in Finland .
@foreigner

BTW, can someone suggest/recommend me a lawyer, who could help me through this spider-web?

[itsme]

You don't need a lawyer. It's just a little complicated but you can do it, as I did. And the labor, tax etc authorities will help you through it.

If you have specific questions, go ahead and ask me on the forum or by PM.

[character]

You don't need a lawyer. It's just a little complicated but you can do it, as I did. And the labor, tax etc authorities will help you through it.

Ok, let me dive into the black hole

If you have specific questions, go ahead and ask me on the forum or by PM.

Quick question already: do you a memory (even faint) how much is the whole package (salary, tax, insurance, etc) per month? Many thanks again, in advance!