help in a job search

amirnevo · Post by **amirnevo** » Sat Aug 14, 2010 4:09 pm

hey i am looking for a person with patience and free time to help me search for a job in the internet (the best place is in pasila libary in helsinki) i need somebody that speech good finnish and have free time in the after-noon and allso know something in komputers...

if somebody is interesting say here and i will send my e-mail or my phon nomber...

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Pursuivant · Post by **Pursuivant** » Mon Aug 16, 2010 10:24 pm

So yoy do not think that www.mol.fi is the entrance to getting a job?

amirnevo · Post by **amirnevo** » Wed Aug 18, 2010 5:29 pm

i know about -mol.fi- but all of the ads are in finnish and i can not understand them....

that is way i need some-one that speech finnish....

my e-mail is anevo10@gmail.com

thanks in advance.... amir

rinso · Post by **rinso** » Wed Aug 18, 2010 8:16 pm

but all of the ads are in finnish and i can not understand them

And you think you make a chance of getting the job if you don't even understand the ads?

amirnevo · Post by **amirnevo** » Thu Aug 19, 2010 5:37 pm

most of the jobs you need finnish but not all of them....

but all of the ads are in finnish because here is finland....

lipko · Post by **lipko** » Thu Aug 19, 2010 8:44 pm

The problem is that you don't even speak English so well.

What can you do? (I mean what kinds of jobs?). Do you have proven work experience? Do you have a profession? If not, then do you have "hygieniapassi" and/or "työturvallisuuskortti"? You can get these, but I guess the material/exams are in Finnish too. And they cost some money/time of course.
If you don't have these either, you don't have much hope.

For example I live here for nearly 11 months now without a job. And I speak Finnish a bit (enough for everyday life), I have a profession (MSc Mechanical Engineer). So I could read the ads, I could find lots of positions to apply, I applied and now, I have to leave Finland (the only thing I lack is work experience). (And I live in Jyväskylä which is

for jobs)
So I have to go home, get a job, hopefully at a Finnish company (my chances are good

), so maybe I'll be sent back to FL someday (

). Or I'll earn enough to try again. That time with work experience.

lipko · Post by **lipko** » Fri Aug 20, 2010 8:03 pm

tummansininen wrote:If the advertiser is prepared accept someone who doesn't speak Finnish then the ad will be in English.

Search for some English words. "salary" "hour" "experience"

If the ad is only in Finnish it's almost definite you won't get the job anyway!

Most jobs that require Finnish usually state that Finnish is required. So I'm not sure about the statement you made. Even cleaning jobs state "riittävä suomen kielen taito". (But, of course, in the end Finnish speakers get the job, but most likely the same goes for the jobs advertised in English)
But maybe because I'm in Jyväskylä. But I don't think Helsinki is different in that regard.

lipko · Post by **lipko** » Mon Aug 30, 2010 7:41 pm

lipko wrote:
tummansininen wrote:If the advertiser is prepared accept someone who doesn't speak Finnish then the ad will be in English.

Search for some English words. "salary" "hour" "experience"

If the ad is only in Finnish it's almost definite you won't get the job anyway!
Most jobs that require Finnish usually state that Finnish is required. So I'm not sure about the statement you made. Even cleaning jobs state "riittävä suomen kielen taito". (But, of course, in the end Finnish speakers get the job, but most likely the same goes for the jobs advertised in English)
But maybe because I'm in Jyväskylä. But I don't think Helsinki is different in that regard.

I have to take it back.

"We can´t choose you this time.
Thank´s for your interesting our company."

So learn Finnish as hard as you can. And be fluent. Otherwise: winning the lottery is more probable.

Hämeen Hitain · Post by **Hämeen Hitain** » Mon Aug 30, 2010 10:57 pm

"Riittävä suomen kielen taito" is stated usuallly only when the employer supposes that most applicants do not have it, meaning low-skill jobs. Otherwise fluent Finnish is itsestäänselvyys.

lipko · Post by **lipko** » Sat Sep 04, 2010 5:22 pm

Read my posts again.

finlandforumuser · Post by **finlandforumuser** » Sat Sep 04, 2010 8:17 pm

lipko wrote:Most jobs that require Finnish usually state that Finnish is required.

Many large and medium sized companies use English as official language. There are many foreigners work here, especially in white-collar niche.

interleukin · Post by **interleukin** » Sat Sep 04, 2010 8:27 pm

English as official language actually changes nothing. The Finns will still speak Finnish between themselves, and they will always prefer to hire someone who speaks Finnish. The foreigner that is hired because of his/her special skills gets away with speaking English, but only because they have special skills. Thinking that English being the official language makes them eager to hire a foreigner with equal skills to the others is just fantasy. I would know, I am in this exact situation. I am the foreigner who got hired for their special skills, the Finns around me would have hired a Finn if there was one available.

lipko · Post by **lipko** » Sat Sep 04, 2010 8:58 pm

I agree with the language thing.
Why do You think I quoted those reject emails? Look at that English! It's pretty obvious, that only the big and VERY international companies don't care about the language. Even if I have special skills, I can't prove them without real work experience, or the other special skills that can be proven are just not enough. Employers are AFRAID to hire a non-lingo foreigner. They don't want to make their employers feel uncomfortable. The last position I applied for was perfect. I could do everything that was stated in the ad (and not just "some experience"), and even more things that the company does. I could even prove it with a small portfolio. The employer seemed to be interested, I still had hopes on Friday, but no. The company isn't big and international enough. They won't employ me. Or maybe I'll get a phone call this Monday?

Unfortunately I made this reply from my home country. I curious about how long will it take to find a job here. Pretty soon I guess, I'm sad I couldn't make it in Finland this time.

finlandforumuser · Post by **finlandforumuser** » Sat Sep 04, 2010 9:22 pm

interleukin wrote:English as official language actually changes nothing. The Finns will still speak Finnish between themselves

Indeed, Finns speak Finnish between themselves if no other nationality; they switch English then. Same as me speak Russian to my colleagues, others speak they mother tong if it is possible: meaning everyone in room understands the language.

interleukin wrote: and they will always prefer to hire someone who speaks Finnish.

Say to hundreds of non-Finnish foreigner workers.

AldenG · Post by **AldenG** » Sat Sep 04, 2010 9:30 pm

It's especially tough when the talent pool in IT and design is at least as deep and sometimes deeper in Finland than it is in other high-tech countries. What the talent pool might not be is as wide as elsewhere. It is possible simply to run out of natives, even when those who do have jobs are very good. Or with very new subspecialties like (at one time) Android or the iPhone, there might be call to recruit abroad, but only to get a deeply specialized person who can help talented natives quickly bootstrap themselves -- which they will do if a company makes a commitment to such a technology.

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