Lox, bagel and cream cheese

[Rosamunda]

I think Finnish turnips are wonderful, really delicious and grossly underestimated. I tried to grow some this year but it was too dry and they were attacked by some pests that ate all the leaves. Will definitely try again next year though. Apparently the best turnips are grown on fields where the forest was recently cleared; I read that somewhere.

[sinikala]

...Salmon sold in Finland is mostly imported from Norway.

Tenojoki, Finland http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCx1aPclYac

Yeah, ´cos all the K & S chain supermarkets sell line-caught wild salmon that´s been through the Baltic (one of the world´s most polluted seas), don´t they?

Meanwhile, back in the real world...

[sammy]

I think Finnish turnips are wonderful, really delicious and grossly underestimated.

The name kaskinauris refers to the old habit of growing them on... well, kaski fields - just as you said. (Is there an English word for kaski?) ...but to some, nauris and lanttu (swede?) belong to the category of "plebeian foodstuffs" I can't see why.

Anyway, for fun here's an old recipe - the name does not sound inviting

From "Kokki-Kirja" 1849

N:o 194. Nauris-mäihää.

Nauriit leikataan kuorittuina halkiomiin, ja pannaan sitte' kannen alla hiljaksellen kiehumaan vähässä vedessä varsin sakaksi, joina ne' puserretaan ruoka-siivilän läpitte'. Sitte' keitetään sekasin vähän voita ja jauhoja, pannen hiukan maitoa lisäksi, niin myös suoloja, sokeria ja pienennettyjä karvaita pippuroita. Kuin nämät ovat ruvenneet kiehumaan, pannaan niihin nauris mäihä vähäksi aikaa kiehahtamaan, jonka perästä se on valmis syötää liha-ru'alla.

http://agricola.utu.fi/hist/kktk/kokkikirja/kk-5.html

[sammy]

Meanwhile, back in the real world...

...Mr John West comes up with an alternative style of catching salmon

[tuulen]

...Salmon sold in Finland is mostly imported from Norway.

Tenojoki, Finland http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCx1aPclYac

Yeah, ´cos all the K & S chain supermarkets sell line-caught wild salmon that´s been through the Baltic (one of the world´s most polluted seas), don´t they?

Meanwhile, back in the real world...

Imagine that you have a choice. You could eat ordinary, farm-raised salmon, perhaps farmed in the Baltic, or, you could eat the finest salmon from Arctic Finland, from one of the most famous salmon fishing rivers in the world, Tenojoki. Yes, the salmon from Tenojoki is the best and, yes, it does cost more, but could you be willing to pay more in order to eat the best salmon?

The answer to that question is the reason why New York City bagel shops can stay in business, at very high prices for what they sell.

If people in New York City will pay big money for the best salmon, then people in Helsinki will, too, because everybody wants the best!

Moreover, Tenojoki salmon on a REAL bagel with REAL cream cheese could attract tourists from around the world, to Helsinki.

And, those wealthy tourists are good for Finland!

[AldenG]

So haven't most of those Tenojoki salmon spent their adult lives swimming in the Barents sea, soaking up all the waste jettisoned, leaked, vomited, and otherwise expelled from decrepit Soviet or Russian nuclear submarines?

Not that there's anything wrong with that, mind you...

Hmm, that raises a question. Are all the Soviet salmon gone now? No holdouts? I guess they only live five years. So they don't even remember the Soviet Union. Kinda like a bunch of Finlandforumers, eh?

[Bubba Elvis XIV]

If people in New York City will pay big money for the best salmon, then people in Helsinki will, too, because everybody wants the best!

Tuulen, this is Finland Forum, not France Forum.

When it comes to buying food the majority of Finns care about 2 things. Firstly, the food has to be produced in Finland. Secondly, the food is cheap. The majority of Finns do not pay 'big money' for good quality food. There's even data out there to support this.

Can I ask how much time have you actually spent here? You seem to have a very romanticized view of Finland and Finns.

[Tiwaz]

Besides, define "good quality food" for me.

Go on, give very clear and scientifically based explanation on what constitutes "good quality food".

"Good quality food" is commonly same as "good clothes". IE, brand !"#¤%.
Two sets of jeans made in same sweatshop factory line in China. One gets stamp "Levi's" and other one some non-brand name.

Which ones are "good clothes"? Same applies to salmon, chicken eggs and whatnot.
Same stuff, some people just make marginal change to way they produce stuff and then add 50% to price and some empty buzzword.

Moreover, Tenojoki salmon on a REAL bagel with REAL cream cheese could attract tourists from around the world, to Helsinki.

Get real. People do not go anywhere for bagel and cream cheese. Let's be even more brutally honest, most people in this globe most likely do not agree with you on "real" bagel or "real" cream cheese.

[sammy]

Ok... seems to me that BAGELS to tuulen are the same as CHEERLEADERS to antarcticamoon

[ajl]

Did you see that report about Helsinki being one of the more expensive cities to live in (yle? didn't actually see the
report they referenced, most of that stuff is fluff so take it with many grains of salt).

Since this is Finland, and things are (*&%#*&($*% so expensive here, we don't buy American/philly-esque cream cheese.
But, man oh man, I really miss sour cream (and would spring for that from time to time, or if the culture was
available, I'd make it). And I have made bagels here. N.B. Some people prefer their cream cheese in a cheesecake.

[Bubba Elvis XIV]

Ok... seems to me that BAGELS to tuulen are the same as CHEERLEADERS to antarcticamoon

He likes them manly?

[sammy]

Ok... seems to me that BAGELS to tuulen are the same as CHEERLEADERS to antarcticamoon

He likes them manly?

Perhaps it's some sort of a dumpling effect...

[sinikala]

If people in New York City will pay big money for the best salmon, then people in Helsinki will, too, because everybody wants the best!

Tuulen, this is Finland Forum, not France Forum.

When it comes to buying food the majority of Finns care about 2 things. Firstly, the food has to be produced in Finland. Secondly, the food is cheap. The majority of Finns do not pay 'big money' for good quality food. There's even data out there to support this.

Can I ask how much time have you actually spent here? You seem to have a very romanticized view of Finland and Finns.

Hear him, hear him!

Tuulen, with respect, many of your posts appear to have been pulled out of your hat (or for hat read ass). I'm also curious to know your angle? Are you hoping to come here one day on holiday or have some Finnish ancestry? Have you ever visited the country?

When it comes to food in Finland, the majority don't want the best, they want the best value, which to many means large portion + low cost. You need only to look at all the places offering kebab + beer €6 / pizza €5. What those places sell is surely filling but it's utter crap. Yet that is what many people here want, so those places flourish. Supply and demand.

If there were a demand for New York style cream cheese bagels with salmon, it would be on sale already. It's not. Not rocket science.

Anyway, back to salmon eaten in Finland... it is mostly farmed, and most of the farming is done in Norway, in the North Sea.

The Salmon catch from those Northern rivers is listed here as 100-200 tonnes p.a.
http://www.nasco.int/pdf/far_habitat/Ha ... inland.pdf

The consumption of salmon in Finland is 24,000 tonnes p.a.
http://www.helsinki.fi/research/news/2010/week23.html

So less than 1% can be from those rivers.

[sammy]

Moreover, Tenojoki salmon on a REAL bagel with REAL cream cheese could attract tourists from around the world, to Helsinki.

[Bubba Elvis XIV]

"Ey up, duck! Does thay fancy goin' t'f@cking Helskinki t'get us a bagel...or Tommerolinos f'get knackered?!"