McDonalds job for long term

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AldenG
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Re: McDonalds job for long term

Post by AldenG » Thu Jan 13, 2011 12:49 am

Rob A. wrote: People who actually help the needy "one on one" without any compensation are simply called, "volunteers" or "community-minded"....not "philanthropists".....:D
True, and I almost started to get into that with the idea that you sometimes call someone a "great humanist" to emphasize the value of their contributions when it's obvious to all that they don't monetarily qualify as a philanthropist per se.

"Great humanist" is the kind of term you might use at the opening ceremony for a center named after someone who didn't provide the money or dedicated to the work of such a person, where "volunteer" or "activist" would fall a little short of the intended honor.

Then there is "secular humanist," a term I believe was first coined as a straw man by the evangelical community to counter the notion that "atheist with community values" could be a separate-but-equal category to religious practice -- and then happily adopted by some of those who consider themselves "spiritual" or something like that without believing in a deity. But I might be wrong about that and secular humanist might have been thought up by people who felt some kind of need to compare the gravitas of their own ethical system to that of religious ethical systems. It's a term I wouldn't use about myself but many religious people would use it about me.


As he persisted, I was obliged to tootle him gently at first and then, seeing no improvement, to trumpet him vigorously with my horn.

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AldenG
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Re: McDonalds job for long term

Post by AldenG » Thu Jan 13, 2011 12:50 am

I don't know how it works in Finland, but here in the US if I were trying to land a job based on an M.A. or Ph.D -- even a B.A. or B.S. -- I would leave McDonald's completely off the resume. I'd list volunteer work instead. I'd claim to be living off savings or a trust fund or odd non-related consulting gigs or helping out in a family/friend's business or hijacking forum threads before I'd list a fast-food job.

That's not to say I look down on taking the job when that's all one can find. It's honest work, which is more than one can say about some higher-paying gigs. But I'd sure put a firewall between that work and anything based on the academic creds, simply because it would reduce the seriousness of the applicant in hirers' eyes. Here in the US it could easily and almost certainly make the difference all by itself between getting an interview and not getting one.
As he persisted, I was obliged to tootle him gently at first and then, seeing no improvement, to trumpet him vigorously with my horn.

Rob A.
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Re: McDonalds job for long term

Post by Rob A. » Thu Jan 13, 2011 1:37 am

AldenG wrote:"Great humanist" is the kind of term you might use at the opening ceremony for a center named after someone who didn't provide the money or dedicated to the work of such a person, where "volunteer" or "activist" would fall a little short of the intended honor.
Yes...that's well explained....and it would be much the same in Canada...though I don't know about, say, the UK or Australia...
AldenG wrote:Then there is "secular humanist," a term I believe was first coined as a straw man by the evangelical community to counter the notion that "atheist with community values" could be a separate-but-equal category to religious practice -- and then happily adopted by some of those who consider themselves "spiritual" or something like that without believing in a deity.
This usage seems to be stricly American...I've had that kind of discussion with friends in the US...but I can't ever remember a Canadian using the expression in this context...maybe some do, but I've never heard it.... The debate between the "religious" and the "secular" seems much more important to Americans...and what few evangelists there are in Canada, well, I would tend to avoid them anyway....:lol:

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Re: McDonalds job for long term

Post by AldenG » Thu Jan 13, 2011 5:23 am

Rob A. wrote:[ The debate between the "religious" and the "secular" seems much more important to Americans...and what few evangelists there are in Canada, well, I would tend to avoid them anyway....:lol:
It's amazing, isn't it, how much difference a national border can make? Like the way the weather on TV weather maps so often ends right at the border, as though Canada is such an oasis of peace and tranquility and all-around blandness that American weather doesn't even reach it.
As he persisted, I was obliged to tootle him gently at first and then, seeing no improvement, to trumpet him vigorously with my horn.

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Re: McDonalds job for long term

Post by Rob A. » Thu Jan 13, 2011 9:44 pm

AldenG wrote:....Canada is such an oasis of peace and tranquility and all-around blandness that American weather doesn't even reach it.
....and that nicely sums up Canada... :lol: ...Well, excepting a few parts such as Montreal and maybe even Toronto on a good day! And, of course the odd hurricane makes it through...:D

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Re: McDonalds job for long term

Post by person222 » Thu Jan 13, 2011 11:51 pm

sorry i forgot to mention that I have done masters in international business from Finland.

now can anyone specifically give me the answer and tell me his/her opinion about such job for long term.

thanks

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Re: McDonalds job for long term

Post by Rick1 » Fri Jan 14, 2011 10:39 am

person222 wrote:sorry i forgot to mention that I have done masters in international business from Finland.

now can anyone specifically give me the answer and tell me his/her opinion about such job for long term.

thanks
If you really have a master IB you would yourself understand that this job is under your level. If you are young, all workexperience works in your advantage but at the same time you should apply anything higher. If I was employer I would rather take a person working at Mcdonalds (or cleaner for my part) than somebody feeling he/she is too highly educated to do this jobs and without any paying job.

I have done all kind of jobs when I was younger and it gives you a good view in other jobs as well.

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Re: McDonalds job for long term

Post by Amandine.K » Fri Jan 14, 2011 9:27 pm

I worked in McD for 3 years when I was a student back in France. It was a great experience and I don't regret it at all.

If you are motivated, you could climb up the hierarchy and go to managerial level and then see if they would have something more IB orientated in the head offices? I worked in McD here for a few months a few years ago and a few people where taking that way to get to manager level.

A job is a job, and I agree with the previous post. It's a start and it's experience! :)

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Re: McDonalds job for long term

Post by AldenG » Fri Jan 14, 2011 10:47 pm

Have you asked your former teachers?

I can see two sides on this.

One is that in certain organizations, it might be possible to climb to the executive ranks from the rank-and-file, particularly within the same company. I don't know whether McDonald's in Finland is one of the companies that works that way. United Parcel Service (UPS) in the United States is one such company, if I'm not mistaken. I believe they prefer that kind of person but even then, there must be some limit. It's hard to imagine a CFO could start as a truck driver.

In other organizations, there is a hard glass ceiling, a clear class distinction between command-and-control compared to rank-and-file. Many countries' militaries are this way (don't know about Finland), where it is very, very rare for someone to move from enlisted class to officer class. In most American companies, there is no track from the mail room to the executive suite. Finland may tend to be less rigid that way, but it's hard to believe Nokia would have such a track, either.

What goals do you state on your resume? What goals do you have that you aren't stating on your resume? What did you picture yourself doing when you chose the course of study and how did that picture evolve during your studies? Is your Master's from a school where graduates typically do end up in executive positions?

Our opinions here don't count for a lot. "I would think...it's good to have ground-floor experience." Maybe that's true and maybe it's the opposite. It depends so much on the culture of the company(s) in question and the general management culture of the country.

I haven't hired for the kinds of positions I would imagine a master's in international business would lead to. (Is it comparable to an MBA or is it something else?) I've only hired (quite a bit) for other types of master's-level positions, mostly instructional designers and software engineers. The latter were for tool-builder type work, not entry-level programming. In Finland those are master's level positions, although in the US such software engineers mostly have degrees in other subjects or sometimes no degree at all but are highly intelligent and self-educated. At least that's how it still was about a decade ago when I was still hiring.

In THAT context, post-graduate McDonald's experience is not an asset, it's a detriment. Taking the work would be seen as a sign of low goals and vision; citing it would be taken as a sign of really poor overall judgment. And I am far from alone in that opinion -- over here. Finland may be different because there's so much less employment opportunity and employers may be used to seeing highly qualified people in menial jobs. I know that when I've visited even next-door Canada, I've seen a lot of obviously very over-educated people working in menial positions. On the other hand, a potential employer might see it as a sign of meager ingenuity that you had to fall back on such a job.

The best answer would come from people who hire for the kind of work you want, and if you can't find them, then from your teachers. If you have even so much as an interview for the type of work you really want, toward the end of the interview is a good opportunity to ask "What qualities and experience do you look for in an ideal entry-level applicant?" and try to get beyond the boilerplate answers of paper qualifications. Asking questions at interviews is a very good thing as long as they appear humble and sincere, not rhetorical or sarcastic.

What are the opportunities for contracting in your areas of knowledge and interest? I don't mean just hourly temporary work or free-lancing, but identifying a service or problem that potential employers need taken care of and giving them a formal business proposal for you to provide the solution on a job basis, not an hourly basis. That's the kind of initiative that (in the US) often leads to full-time positions. Make yourself indispensable and soon they'll start wanting to save money by bringing you in-house.

Did your degree program offer any kind of training on job-hunting strategies like these? Are there resources at the school that you can go back to as a graduate to help identify such opportunities?

P.S. I'm not claiming to offer answers. At most I hope I'm offering the right questions.
As he persisted, I was obliged to tootle him gently at first and then, seeing no improvement, to trumpet him vigorously with my horn.

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Re: McDonalds job for long term

Post by AldenG » Sat Jan 15, 2011 5:07 am

To clarify my earlier question, is a Master's in International Business from your school an education in business administration (planning, leadership, finance, etc) or is it more about about clerical stuff, writing clear letters, knowing the international paperwork, bookkeeping, and so on?
As he persisted, I was obliged to tootle him gently at first and then, seeing no improvement, to trumpet him vigorously with my horn.

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Re: McDonalds job for long term

Post by FinnGuyHelsinki » Sun Jan 16, 2011 12:42 am

I agree with AldenG, McDonald's for any longer term (in Finland) is not something one is best off with. Another question of course is what purpose the original poster is primarily looking work for, whether to secure a residence permit or having a career (in business). Having been flipping burgers amounts to nothing when searching for a job in business administration, albeit that's not a drawback when done during studies to make ends meet.

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Re: McDonalds job for long term

Post by person222 » Sun Jan 16, 2011 12:46 am

Thanks a lot for all the members for your explanations and suggestions.

''Amandine.K'' thank you for your wonderful motivational comments. I really appreciate your suggestion and precise answer.

''AldenG'' Thank you sir for your comments. I am learning Finnish language and doing this job at the moment. I think after few years may be I will be at better position in McDonalds or somewhere else after learning this language. Masters in International Business degree with specialization in marketing/branding gave me indepth knowledge of doing business internationally. During this degree I went to Belgium for university sponsored traineeship (6months) and then after completing my traineeship i came back to Finland to complete the rest of my studies. During and after the studies I applied to several relevant positions in different companies but couldnt succeed to get even a job interview. Yes one purpose of keeping such job is to secure residence permit and along with it learn the language and keep searching for better opportunities.

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Re: McDonalds job for long term

Post by noorulsaba » Mon Apr 04, 2011 5:13 pm

still there is job?i want to do


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