I don't want to pay bloody tax

[rinso]

I am seeking suggestion if I can avoid such tax in Finland.

When you're a resident of Finland, you have to pay taxes. Tricks to avoid paying are illegal and you will risk a big fine or even jail time.
It is however perfectly legal to deduct costs etc. so the final tax bill will be smaller.
But if you're not an entrepreneur (registered as sole trader, Tmi) you have less possibilities to subtract costs.

nb: using paypal to avoid paying tax is illegal. Even if the tax collector cannot see your income, he can see what your clients tell him. And they will tell him since they can subtract those costs.

[Rick1]

Well as long as halve of the building sites is here working tax-free I would not be the best boy of the class Rinso. The leading parties always brabbing about how much workers they should import but keeping an eye on that every thing goes legal is another thing. Espoo city is hiring contractors who pay foreigners 5 or 6 euro an hour. They saying it is not their responsibility.

[Upphew]

Well as long as halve of the building sites is here working tax-free I would not be the best boy of the class Rinso. The leading parties always brabbing about how much workers they should import but keeping an eye on that every thing goes legal is another thing. Espoo city is hiring contractors who pay foreigners 5 or 6 euro an hour. They saying it is not their responsibility.

Tax-free ends soon: http://www.vero.fi/?article=2567&domain ... nguage=ENG (or at least vat free..)

[ajdias]

Well as long as halve of the building sites is here working tax-free I would not be the best boy of the class Rinso. The leading parties always brabbing about how much workers they should import but keeping an eye on that every thing goes legal is another thing. Espoo city is hiring contractors who pay foreigners 5 or 6 euro an hour. They saying it is not their responsibility.

http://www.yle.fi/uutiset/news/2011/02/ ... 96766.html

Doesn't PerSu have something on their programme about this? It's about time someone does something about it.

[Karhunkoski]

Doesn't PerSu have something on their programme about this? It's about time someone does something about it.

Yes they do

(take note Bubs )

[Rosamunda]

Espoo city is hiring contractors who pay foreigners 5 or 6 euro an hour. They saying it is not their responsibility.

http://www.yle.fi/uutiset/news/2011/02/ ... 96766.html

Doesn't PerSu have something on their programme about this? It's about time someone does something about it.

Maybe one of the reasons Espoo city has decided to employ subcontractors (from wherever) is that on average municipal employees took SEVENTEEN days sick leave last year (or it might have been in 2009)... on top of their annual leave and any other perks they may have...

[Rick1]

They should fire them all and hire new ones (from China, India or Poland) Mrs Reagan (or Palin)

[Karhunkoski]

Espoo city is hiring contractors who pay foreigners 5 or 6 euro an hour. They saying it is not their responsibility.

http://www.yle.fi/uutiset/news/2011/02/ ... 96766.html

Doesn't PerSu have something on their programme about this? It's about time someone does something about it.

Maybe one of the reasons Espoo city has decided to employ subcontractors (from wherever) is that on average municipal employees took SEVENTEEN days sick leave last year (or it might have been in 2009)... on top of their annual leave and any other perks they may have...

That's of course is a bag of poo, but it is NO EXCUSE for the disgraceful practices that are going on.

[Upphew]

Maybe one of the reasons Espoo city has decided to employ subcontractors (from wherever) is that on average municipal employees took SEVENTEEN days sick leave last year (or it might have been in 2009)... on top of their annual leave and any other perks they may have...

People were 245 039 days on sick leave in 2009.

Yleisimmät ammattinimikkeet v. 2009
• Lastenhoitaja
• Lastentarhanopettaja
• Peruskoulun luokanopettaja
• Peruskoulun lehtori
• Lähihoitaja
• Sairaanhoitaja
• Tuntiopettaja (päätoiminen)
• Laitoshuoltaja
• Palomies
• Laitosapulainen

[Tiwaz]

I was like WTF, the clinic is open and xray is closed, and I have to come tomorrow for that...

Because X-ray staff are not same staff who does other things. Certified x-ray staff are much more rare than general nurses or doctors. And they have right to have time off too, so there won't be three shifts to make sure you will get your x-ray taken (specially since private side does not do emergencies).

and again the doctor said to have pain killer if it pains extremely at night, if the pain killer doesn't help then I should call the emergency service and they will take me to the emergency center (Acuta),

Yes, because your knees are not going to suddenly kill you. Your pain has troubled you for long and yet you still live, thus you will 99,9% certainty live tomorrow as well.

If you DO get some pains which cannot be remedied, you need to go to emergency.

where I waited for whole day for nothing....

Because you were not an emergency. Emergency tends to handle cases where death or serious injury can be result of delay. Those who are not such emergencies will wait.

Would you qualify your knee aches as condition which is likely to kill you or permanently maim you in 1 day?

emergency center gives an appointment and makes people wait for more than 3 hours,

Because your condition was not an emergency !"#¤%. Someone might have had their thighbone sticking out of their leg. Should they have left that kind of patient waiting for three hours while they checked your knees?

private clinics are open and xrays or other lab tests are closed at 14.00 so, people have to wait or come next day for lab tests, and again wait for another day for the report...

You know, they first of all have to take the samples and then go through with actual testing.
You might not grasp it, but it is not about just taking some blood, adding some magic powder and reading the results from smoke. Tests take time sunshine.

The finnish medical system really f*ck*d the term called APPOINTMENT and EMERGENCY, I wonder how the general hospitals would be ? do people wait for two or three days to visit doctor ?

So you qualify your annoying knee ache as an emergency?

You are just another whining idiot who thinks he is the center of the universe.

[AldenG]

Plus burana is just ibuprofen, isn't it? It's pretty effective, especially for pain of inflammation, but it doesn't require a prescription and the prescription strength isn't that much greater a dose than regular strength -- the point being you could simply buy it yourself without a prescription and take more of it.

If often sounds like the Finnish medical system has been studying the American medical system in recent years and learning a lot about how to adopt the worst features of it. Next thing you know, they'll be privatizing health insurance and balkanizing it into a couple of hundred different insurance companies.

[AldenG]

You could easily have waited 6-20 hours in an urban American emergency room. People have died waiting hours for triage, which I doubt has yet happened in Finland.

[rinso]

my concern was why name it emergency service when you have to wait for hours to get it ?

Emergency cases are treated directly. But if someone comes whining with a sore knee, he probably will be ignored for quite some time. Its the way the medical system deals with people who exaggerate their situation.
Like cory I only have good experiences with the system.

[DMC]

I have had little experience with the emergency care here, but what experience I have had has been positive. Likewse with the non-emergency care, although in my limited experience I do think this has deteriorated over the last 10 or 15 years.
roger_roger says he had an appointment, which to me means his was not an emergency case; you don't make appointments in an emergency.
Roger''s appointment was for 12:00 and he gave up waiting at 15:30. Now that is simply arrogance. If a client of mine has an appointment at 12:00 and I haven't bothered to appear or send apologies and a decent explanation by 15:30 then I expect to have an ex-client. Yet the medical profession think it is OK to keep people waiting, I suppose because (in their view) their time is more important than their patient's time. Unfortunately that is not limited to Finland. I have see the same in the UK and I suspect it is common practise elsewhere also. I sympathise with roger_roger for that reason, but I do wonder where he is from that he is used to a better level of service.
The other point roger-roger makes is also interesting. He was prescribed pain killers but pointed out that he wanted the doc to address the cause of his pain, not merely to relieve the symptoms. That is surely a reasonable request, but it seemed to cause problems to the doctor. Again I can understand roger being less than impressed with this level of service. As he points out we all can (and probably do) take pain killers before things get so bad that we seek medical advice, and we expect the Dr to go one better.

[Upphew]

why hospitals are reluctant to increase the facilities and medical staffs so they could give proper and prompt services to patients ?

Check the topic of the thread and guess..