Hi,
Doctor has advised me to give Margarine with highest percentage of fat to my 1.5 year old kid as his weight is very less.
In Prisma there were sooooo many verity of Margrains and I did not no which one to buy.
Since I dont know finnsh I was not able to understand what was written on the Margarine box.
My child is not allergic to anything, so a normal one without salt is ok.
Can you please suggest me which one will the right one for my kid.
Thanks,
Sanam
which Margarine can be given to child
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I have NEVER heard this before!!! Very strange, margarine is a processed food, not a natural product at all and I think they ALL contain some salt. I think you should get a second opinion from a nutritionist or from the neuvola clinic. I don't think you should give a young child excessive amounts of fat, especially the "bad" fats and it is quite complicated sorting out the good from the bad and reading all the small print.
One of my children had a severe milk protein allergy so I could not give him butter. I think I bought him a margarine called Primevera (or something like that) but I'm not sure if it is sold in Finland (we were living in France).
DO NOT buy any margarine that contains STATINS. So, DO NOT buy Benecol and similar products. These products are aimed at over-weight adults with cholesterol problems and heart disease and have not been tested on small children.
Soft or spreadable margarines (in a tub) are generally less hydrogenated which makes them better than hard margarines (less trans fats in them). But do not use them for cooking as they have a low smoking point.
Do not buy margarines with added vitamin D if your child is already taking a vitamin D supplement.
Personally I would have thought it better to add a few drops of olive oil or rapeseed oil into his baby food rather than use margarine. But I'm not a pediatrician!!!
One of my children had a severe milk protein allergy so I could not give him butter. I think I bought him a margarine called Primevera (or something like that) but I'm not sure if it is sold in Finland (we were living in France).
DO NOT buy any margarine that contains STATINS. So, DO NOT buy Benecol and similar products. These products are aimed at over-weight adults with cholesterol problems and heart disease and have not been tested on small children.
Soft or spreadable margarines (in a tub) are generally less hydrogenated which makes them better than hard margarines (less trans fats in them). But do not use them for cooking as they have a low smoking point.
Do not buy margarines with added vitamin D if your child is already taking a vitamin D supplement.
Personally I would have thought it better to add a few drops of olive oil or rapeseed oil into his baby food rather than use margarine. But I'm not a pediatrician!!!
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Do you have the opportunity to talk to a nutritionist at your neuvola? A professional nutritionist will know more about the narrow subject of healthy feeding than a doctor and will have more up-to-date information.
Medicine is changing its mind about saturated fat, previously thought to be the major cause of heart disease. Multiple independent, reputable studies now contradict that conclusion. I'm not saying the question is settled, but the medical/nutritional consensus has changed since even as recently as ten years ago.
Nowadays the villain is believed to be "trans fats." Trans fats are industrially modified fat molecules that do not occur naturally in food. The human liver is not evolved to deal with trans fats because they didn't exist until about 100 years ago. Now many scientists now say these substances do more than any other food to create errors in the liver's metabolism of cholesterol and its derivatives (for instance most adrenal hormones start as cholesterol) that lead to arterial plaque and other health problems -- as early as the teenage years nowadays in the U.S.
These harmful trans fats are the foundation of margarine. Without them, traditional margarine would not be solid at room temperature. Nowadays there are newer margarines with plant sterols that may not contain trans fats, but I don't know if there has been time or money invested to adequately study the effects of plant sterols in children.
I can't say what is healthy for a 1.5 year old to eat. But I think a second opinion from a pediatric nutritionist can only be a good thing. If he or she agrees with the doctor then obviously you do what they say. But I know people whose U.S. pediatricians have told them NOT to feed margarine to infants or children.
I don't know what the truth is. But hearing advice to feed margarine to infants in 2011 raises questions in my mind.
In the U.S., the word for trans fats in margarine is "hydrogenated xxx oil." (xxx may be "vegetable," "corn," etc...) Neither I nor the family Finn can figure out how "hydrogenated" is translated to Finnish in the context of food fats, but I'm sure multiple people here in the Forum can answer that. Most American nutritionists say that there is no safe amount of trans fats at any age. In other words, they say there is no safe amount of hydrogenated oils. In fact, they practically ALL agree about that statement even though there remains some disagreement about naturally occurring saturated fats such as found in butter and meat. Government panels have made similar statements about the danger of trans fats and the law on labeling of food has recently required trans fats to be listed separately for that reason.
Medicine is changing its mind about saturated fat, previously thought to be the major cause of heart disease. Multiple independent, reputable studies now contradict that conclusion. I'm not saying the question is settled, but the medical/nutritional consensus has changed since even as recently as ten years ago.
Nowadays the villain is believed to be "trans fats." Trans fats are industrially modified fat molecules that do not occur naturally in food. The human liver is not evolved to deal with trans fats because they didn't exist until about 100 years ago. Now many scientists now say these substances do more than any other food to create errors in the liver's metabolism of cholesterol and its derivatives (for instance most adrenal hormones start as cholesterol) that lead to arterial plaque and other health problems -- as early as the teenage years nowadays in the U.S.
These harmful trans fats are the foundation of margarine. Without them, traditional margarine would not be solid at room temperature. Nowadays there are newer margarines with plant sterols that may not contain trans fats, but I don't know if there has been time or money invested to adequately study the effects of plant sterols in children.
I can't say what is healthy for a 1.5 year old to eat. But I think a second opinion from a pediatric nutritionist can only be a good thing. If he or she agrees with the doctor then obviously you do what they say. But I know people whose U.S. pediatricians have told them NOT to feed margarine to infants or children.
I don't know what the truth is. But hearing advice to feed margarine to infants in 2011 raises questions in my mind.
In the U.S., the word for trans fats in margarine is "hydrogenated xxx oil." (xxx may be "vegetable," "corn," etc...) Neither I nor the family Finn can figure out how "hydrogenated" is translated to Finnish in the context of food fats, but I'm sure multiple people here in the Forum can answer that. Most American nutritionists say that there is no safe amount of trans fats at any age. In other words, they say there is no safe amount of hydrogenated oils. In fact, they practically ALL agree about that statement even though there remains some disagreement about naturally occurring saturated fats such as found in butter and meat. Government panels have made similar statements about the danger of trans fats and the law on labeling of food has recently required trans fats to be listed separately for that reason.
As he persisted, I was obliged to tootle him gently at first and then, seeing no improvement, to trumpet him vigorously with my horn.
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Aha, now I see Penelope slipped in the same idea with fewer words while I was composing my dissertation.
I'm glad to see I'm not the only one alarmed by the doctor's advice. And I agree with Penelope also in her concern about newer "high-tech" margarines designed to manipulate the liver's cholesterol metabolism in adults.
The body of an infant given healthy, natural, age-appropriate foods will do the right thing with them and doesn't need special concoctions designed to thwart disease processes.
And upon further reflection, I am guessing that "hydrogenated" is translated something like kovetettu kasviöljy -- hardened vegetable oil.
I'm glad to see I'm not the only one alarmed by the doctor's advice. And I agree with Penelope also in her concern about newer "high-tech" margarines designed to manipulate the liver's cholesterol metabolism in adults.
The body of an infant given healthy, natural, age-appropriate foods will do the right thing with them and doesn't need special concoctions designed to thwart disease processes.
And upon further reflection, I am guessing that "hydrogenated" is translated something like kovetettu kasviöljy -- hardened vegetable oil.
As he persisted, I was obliged to tootle him gently at first and then, seeing no improvement, to trumpet him vigorously with my horn.
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Why margarin when you can get butter
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We sayAldenG wrote:Aha, now I see Penelope slipped in the same idea with fewer words while I was composing my dissertation
in the trade (Keep It Short and Simple) !!!! 
Good to see we agree!!!
I would definitely go for a few drops of rapeseed oil or olive oil in the toddlers soup rather than margarine spread over everything. The calorific value of oil vs margarine is almost identical. But no need to go crazy.I have heard stories about Finnish doctors trying to fatten up babies born to foreign parents. Finnish babies are big. But that doesn't mean ALL babies have to be big to be healthy. Get a second opinion.
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Margarine sounds a bit strange to me, too. I rather go with butter or olive oil. Or some cheese or other high calorie food.
But how is your child's weight curve? Has his weight stayed on his curve or is it dropping? I have a petite child, but that is fine, as she has always been on the -1 curve, not really going up or down. So I wouldn't be fattening up a kid just by having a low weight, as long as it is staying approximately steady on the weight/height curve.
But how is your child's weight curve? Has his weight stayed on his curve or is it dropping? I have a petite child, but that is fine, as she has always been on the -1 curve, not really going up or down. So I wouldn't be fattening up a kid just by having a low weight, as long as it is staying approximately steady on the weight/height curve.
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Has he consistently lagged behind his age cohort or is it something that started recently?
As he persisted, I was obliged to tootle him gently at first and then, seeing no improvement, to trumpet him vigorously with my horn.
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Well, even those are not fullproof means to say there is nutritional issue.
Some just start to grow late, but then grow like weeds. Or keep growing a long time. I recall my old man telling he got at least few centimeters back when he was in the army. I didn't, but at one point I took off the scales IIRC and beat my predicted height with around 5 cm or so (well, it is not exact science as they said).
As long as kid is not fed diet crap (or perhaps vege diet) which makes your belly full while giving little energy I doubt there can be any issues with nutrition. Because growing kids, specially when active, need huge amounts of energy compared to their size. Meanwhile, most of us adults could do with good bit less...
Of course, HappyMeal-diet is going to wrong end of ladder and can result in obese children... But regular home food is rarely, from my view, culprit of obesity. It just requires more work from parents... (oh the horror...)
Some just start to grow late, but then grow like weeds. Or keep growing a long time. I recall my old man telling he got at least few centimeters back when he was in the army. I didn't, but at one point I took off the scales IIRC and beat my predicted height with around 5 cm or so (well, it is not exact science as they said).
As long as kid is not fed diet crap (or perhaps vege diet) which makes your belly full while giving little energy I doubt there can be any issues with nutrition. Because growing kids, specially when active, need huge amounts of energy compared to their size. Meanwhile, most of us adults could do with good bit less...
Of course, HappyMeal-diet is going to wrong end of ladder and can result in obese children... But regular home food is rarely, from my view, culprit of obesity. It just requires more work from parents... (oh the horror...)
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When my friends child lost weight due to illness a UK health visitor advised her to give her child peanut butter (either in sandwiches oras a dip for sticks of veggies).
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Well, peanut butter is a choking hazard, so it should not be given in gobs but instead be spread very thin for instance on a cracker. Using it as a dip, unless mixed into something else to make it less sticky, could be dangerous for a toddler.jen wrote:When my friends child lost weight due to illness a UK health visitor advised her to give her child peanut butter (either in sandwiches oras a dip for sticks of veggies).
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Peanuts are also highly allergenic. So, if there are any atopic tendancies in the family, I would steer clear of it, especially in a child so young.
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I'm afraid I'm in a hurry so haven't read the entire thread (sorry if repeating things)
First, I believe that Oivariini (did I spell it right) is like Lurpak, a butter but with vegetable oil added. Margarine might be used as a catch-all term to include things like this when they are not in fact the same thing at all. So I guess it's useful to clarify what is meant.
In terms of being told your child is underweight I say trust your instincts. Were you worried, or have they put worry into you? If it's the first then try to find out a solution, if it's the second case then I'd suggest statistics and weight charts don't have all the answers and you should trust your instinct to a large extent.
First, I believe that Oivariini (did I spell it right) is like Lurpak, a butter but with vegetable oil added. Margarine might be used as a catch-all term to include things like this when they are not in fact the same thing at all. So I guess it's useful to clarify what is meant.
In terms of being told your child is underweight I say trust your instincts. Were you worried, or have they put worry into you? If it's the first then try to find out a solution, if it's the second case then I'd suggest statistics and weight charts don't have all the answers and you should trust your instinct to a large extent.
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Re: which Margarine can be given to child
I HAVE heard this before.
I understand what is being suggested is not 'high fat' foods, but 'normal fat' foods. Nowadays many people feed their kids low fat this and low fat that (margarines, yoghurts, milk etc), but actually kids should have normal fat food, plenty of vegetables (plus all the other good food sources of vitamins etc) and get lots of exercise. So people start to think that low fat foods are 'normal'. Of course you should avoid high fat foods, but once in a while these are also OK.
I understand that it is quite normal for girls to be told to have normal fat food, when they are constantly looking for low fat foods to keep their weight down.
I understand what is being suggested is not 'high fat' foods, but 'normal fat' foods. Nowadays many people feed their kids low fat this and low fat that (margarines, yoghurts, milk etc), but actually kids should have normal fat food, plenty of vegetables (plus all the other good food sources of vitamins etc) and get lots of exercise. So people start to think that low fat foods are 'normal'. Of course you should avoid high fat foods, but once in a while these are also OK.
I understand that it is quite normal for girls to be told to have normal fat food, when they are constantly looking for low fat foods to keep their weight down.
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Hi All,
Very sorry for late reply.
Thanks to all for the suggestions.
Just one correction, it is not the doctor who suggestion Maragarine but it is the nutritionist.
The one that was suggested was Keiju's 70% fat[on the box it is written Laktoositon] does it mean it is Lactose free?
Is it ok to give Lactose free margarine? My kid is not alergic to anything.
Is anyone else using this for their children? Any suggestion about this?
Regards,
Sanam
Very sorry for late reply.
Thanks to all for the suggestions.
Just one correction, it is not the doctor who suggestion Maragarine but it is the nutritionist.
The one that was suggested was Keiju's 70% fat[on the box it is written Laktoositon] does it mean it is Lactose free?
Is it ok to give Lactose free margarine? My kid is not alergic to anything.
Is anyone else using this for their children? Any suggestion about this?
Regards,
Sanam