How to apply for visit visa ? Requirements and procedure

[Kutittaa]

Where did I say that I didn't believe you? Or that you and everyone else had anything to gain by lying?

Ok. Well that didn't happen with my application, or my friends' applications. All of which were submitted at the police station here in Oulu. :/
Maybe we do things differently in the North, or maybe they need them because they cant be processed the same way as in Helsinki.

IIRC OP said he wasn't applying in Helsinki though.

[sy]

Peace!

Starting from 1 Jan 2012 they are going to issue the residence permit cards instead of the stickers to the passports, so at that time it's most probably that they will only take the passports for copies and give them back immediately when you hand in your application.

[Abe]

@ Kutittaa Finland also isn't obligated to just take EVERY person that presents an application. No country is obligated to do so.. they are obligated to conform with the immigration standards they are a part of, but they are also obligated to their own laws and freedom of choice in immigration to an extent.

There are things that make immigration obligated to do so. If you are talking about the freedom of choice of immigration then you have to know that immigration do not have any freedom of choice of approval or rejection in the case of decisions of permits. No freedom of choice at all. They have their process and they have to go through it. Other than that, you should know about the freedom of choice PEOPLE which is way more important and whole europe keep that. And according to freedom of choice of people, everyone is free to chose his or her life partner and it is EVERYONES right to live with his or her spouse in the country. So when everything is clear and marriage is legit than there is no way that immigration is entitled to reject the application, cuz this way they are infact acting against the right of freedom of citizen. So unless there is very authentic reason that proves that marriage is not real, they dont deny application. Cuz applicant always has right of appeal against decision and immigration only deny application when they make sure that they have pressing reasons and if applicant appeal, they can handle that too.

Remember that you came here to ask questions. If you already know all the answers and what is going to happen to your application why have you come here to ask these questions in the first place? If you know how all applications will proceed could you please tell me what will happen to my friend, if he will get residency here or if he will be sent away? Obviously my friend has nothing to worry about at all then from the way you say things.

You should go back to first page and see my question and starting posts of thread and you will realize that this was not my question and i didnt want to discuss the residence permit. I was just talking about visa, like family visit visa or visit visa and i just mentioned that my intention is to apply for residence permit after gettin into finland. Mean this was my own decision and personal matter and whatever happen to my application was not infact topic of my question. And I only mentioned that i will apply for permit so that people can give me better suggestion about that and hence people gave too as one user said that if this is my case, i have to wait for first marriage get registered and then come here on family visit visa which is an easy option. A user first said ''Are you sure by the way that applying for visa first and residence permit only in Finland is best way for you to proceed? Presumably you at least know that while your permit would be processed (and it might take some time) you'd be without right to work, social benefits or public health care?'' which led this topic to other way. I knew everything about residence permit and thats why I didnt ask any question about that. Got it! Secondly I am not the first in my family who is going to apply for residence permit from within finland, I have relatives in helsinki and support and no worry about money and place to stay and seeking for kela benifits or medical etc. My case and personal situation is fully different and I have plan B and C and D and i didnt want to talk about it so that other user may get mislead etc. It just happened. topic deviated and so on

[rinso]

So unless there is very authentic reason that proves that marriage is not real, they dont deny application. Cuz applicant always has right of appeal against decision and immigration only deny application when they make sure that they have pressing reasons and if applicant appeal, they can handle that too.

Where did you get that idea?
If they have reason to suspect there is something strange about a marriage, they can deny the RP.
You have to prove your marriage is not fake (and showing the official papers is not enough).
And off course you can appeal a rejection. But if that happens here in Finland, you remain in limbo (no job, no healthcare etc.). And the appeal process often takes even longer than the application itself.
And you cannot leave Finland. If you do, they don't have to let you back in until the appeal is approved.

[Abe]

I said the same thing, that if you can prove that marriage is real then they dont deny application and if they suspect something that makes to believe that marriage is not real, they always have a reason over it. and suspect supported with reason is more than enough to deny permit. What I tried to say was, if marriage is real and there is proof (not only documentation but live together time etc etc) then application will not be denied.

[Kutittaa]

Word for word you're reminding me of another Pakistani who said the exact same things in another Finnish forum before he was banned for abusing another member...

This:

Everyone is free to chose his or her life partner and it is EVERYONES right to live with his or her spouse in the country.

and especially this:

They have their process and they have to go through it. So when everything is clear and marriage is legit than there is no way that immigration is entitled to reject the application, cuz this way they are infact acting against the right of freedom of citizen. So unless there is very authentic reason that proves that marriage is not real, they dont deny application.

I read in another forum about 2 weeks prior.. pretty much word for word what you are saying before the Pakistani member was banned for an abusive outburst...

The other person also wrote entirely as if he knew the process like the back of his hand and even after asking for advice in the first place, refused anything that wasn't the kind of answer he was looking for. Also spoke like 'Immigration to Finland and citizenship was a birthright' and refused advice to healthcare and what could happen if he was to get sick, as well as how he would survive without being able to work for such a long time. In fact, the resemblance is amazingly striking.. far too similar.

You are free to choose your path, it's your own funeral if you don't have any plans at all if the permit doesn't go in your favour. As the Finnish say, "Niin makaa kuin petaa" :/

We're only trying to offer advice. If you had have said you had a 'Plan B' etc. you could have avoided all the drama.

[Abe]

@kutita

word by word, line by line or whatever by whatever ,,,,, SO WHAT

if you got me and tracked from some other forum then is that make you right???? no way man, ya i was on that forum and right now even i am on two other forums too and i mentioned it too. Cant i be on other forums!!!!

And as long as I remeber, No body banned me. I stayed on the forum all the way and it was the other person, who was replying like your replies get banned and that forum administrator send me message that he (the other person) got what he deserved. such a misrepresenting that i went banned, it was the other person. And other person was same like you, his mentality was same like you, he thought that somehow he made it and no one else can and that was you and the way he used to comment, its fully same. and ya, i remeber, he was aus,, oh now i got it, he was living in oulu, oh my dear Daniel its you what a wonder

You were banned from that forum and you said that you dont give sh*t about forums etc and you will no longer help people, but after a while, you created another account on that forum with the name Dan K and with that account, you used to say that there was another member who used to give right advices but get banned, mean talking about yourself.

NOW YOU REMEMBER WHO GOT BANNED !!!!!

Glad to see you here. you are such a great personality i ever saw on internet amazing...........

(is it enough or should i reveal more)

[skandagupta]

If the knot is tied for the sole purpose of creating a subterfuge to apply for a residence permit (and there`s no reliable documentation of living together in Pakistan) finnish authorities can and will reject an application found fraudulent.

[dev]

@Abe:
You seem to know everything about everything. You know they can not refuse your application, you know you were born with extra rights, you have plan B, C, D as well, and you are not willing to take anyone's advice here. What are you doing here then?
If you still havnt got the answer to the questions in your original post, you can apply for visit visa to visit your family or friends in Finland (you may or may not get it) and yes for the visit visa you need to show how you are going to meet your travel expenses.

[Kutittaa]

So you ARE that person.. well before you were banned you actually lied to the people who were helping you. Saying that you were suddenly IN FINLAND. As if to mock the fact that everyone else was wrong and you were right.. after other members said how unbelievable anything you said sounded you turned troll and started writing pretty disgusting abusive stuff to some of the most helpful people on the forums, including a mod whom I've met in person. In fact, you made a pretty big mess accross many threads before you finally got the hammer.

I sure hope you wont do that here.

So, you are still in Pakistan, still contemplating coming to Finland. I am glad that you are at least the same person, and that there is not more than one of you.

Whatever path you choose in trying for immigration, good luck anyway.

[Sial]

If you still havnt got the answer to the questions in your original post, you can apply for visit visa to visit your family or friends in Finland (you may or may not get it) and yes for the visit visa you need to show how you are going to meet your travel expenses.

@ dev

No need to show any funds or how you gonna meet travel expanses and medical insurance etc etc on family visit visa and if one really has finnish spouse then for sure he will get it. It is simple and straightforward thing you ignorant.

@ abe

Just apply for family visit visa and come here, plan a better form of action and prepare all necessary documents. If you are from punjab province then also bring your Police Certificate to append with your RP application (that shows you are clean and never been involved in a crime or be a suspect in any investigation). it is not compulsory but it is good to have it and it only takes a day to obtain (for other provinces, i think process is kinda long). Dont mess with people here on forum, it will confuse you. Thats it

[dev]

@Sial:

From Embassy of Finland in Pakistan website:
http://www.finlandpakistan.org/public/d ... ture=en-US


The following documents must be attached to support the application:

The one who is paying the trip must provide a bank statement from previous six months
A copy of tickets. If the route plan with bookings from a travel agent is given at the time of application, original tickets must be presented at the collection of issued visa
Proof of accommodation.
Invitation letter signed by the host person or by the host organization in Finland.
Passport- or ID-card copy of the inviting person must be enclosed as well as the copy of the possible residence permit
In case of a private visit the letter signed by the employer regarding the leave must be attached
supporting letter from employer stating who is responsible for the costs incurred (business travel).
- in case the host of the visit is the spouse, original marriage certificate must be presented
- in case the host is a child or a parent of the applicant, original birth certificate proving the relation must be presented.

[Sial]

@ Dev

The requirments mentioned there is so called General requirments. Like if your trip is through travel company or from your employer or family etc etc. They are not mentioning the requirments seperately for each kind of visa i dont know why. Visa can be tourist or business or visit (family and friends) etc etc. Well go to same page and download application form and read it. There are special rule for the family members of Europe Union, EEA and CH citizens and it is mention second page of the form ''The fields marked with * shall not be filled in by family members of EU, EEA or CH citizens (spouse, child or dependent ascendant) while exercising their right
to free movement. Family members of EU, EEA or CH citizens shall present documents to prove this relationship and fill in fields No 34 and 35.''

And you know which fields marked as * ,

*19 Current occupation
*20 Employer and employer’s address and telephone number. For students, name and address of educational establishment.
*32 Name and address of inviting company/organisation
*33 Cost of travelling and living during the applicant’s stay is covered

so if spouse is finnish citizen, you do not need to show any invitation , no need to show how and who is covering the cost of travelling and living during stay. Got it now!

About two months ago I came from pakistan on family visit visa from same embassy and i got visa within a week and I didnt show any health or travelling insurance, proof of funds and bank statements etc.

[Rip]

About two months ago I came from pakistan on family visit visa from same embassy and i got visa within a week and I didnt show any health or travelling insurance, proof of funds and bank statements etc.

But for anybody travelling here, please do get the insurance for medical costs anyway (even if is not mandatory for getting into the country). You are not covered by the national system before you get an actual residence permit.

[Sial]

But for anybody travelling here, please do get the insurance for medical costs anyway (even if is not mandatory for getting into the country). You are not covered by the national system before you an actual residence permit.

Ya thats true too. It is good to have insurance. Now sometimes I think that i better should have come with insurance