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Re: Options for moving to Finland

Post by Kutittaa » Sun Mar 11, 2012 1:54 pm

Visa is for visiting, residency permit is for residing.

1. 'Easy' isn't the right word. It isn't exactky 'hard' but it definitely isn't 'easy' in your case. You're from a High-risk country and all that. Without marriage it's basically impossible. You can't work in Finland without being married. You have no ties to Finland and unless you are married to a Finn then Finland does not give a sh!t about you and what you would like to do.

2. Meeting where? Philippines? Well if you actually MET each other before hand then yes it would be a good idea because it will make your relationship look less fake. But hey this is only if you marry anyway and you said that you aren't going to marry. So answering any of these questions is pretty much a waste of anyone's time because the only 2 options open for you in staying here over a 3 month Visa is you either enrolling as a student and getting in (not likely) or marrying which you won't do. Other than that if you don't do either of those things you will be back to Philippines after 3 months and Finland will be just that bit richer after taking the money you spent in living here for that time.

3. No because you will not marry. You will not be sucessful doing anything if you do not marry. If you come as a student you cannot work properly, like pretty much at all. If you do neither marry or come as a student as I said before you cannot work or do sh!t except for holiday. Stop being such a dumbass and actually learn your !"#¤% before you start asking dumb questions... you have your options laid out for you. Pick one or just be friends with this Finn.

4. You could study sure but don't expect to be able to make any money except to basically just cover eating day-by-day. Especially without knowing Finnish. You're pertty much at the bottom of the barrel with all the 'others' who are in the worst situation possible.. You should have unlimited funds if you expect to live here as a student and be unable to make any sort of income (because of student visa restrictions).

5. You can't do !"#¤% and this all sounds dumber and dumber by the minute because you won't marry and being a student means you must have unlimited funds somehow because you can't basically work more than like a few hours which is @#$% all and won't cover anything at all.

Also you're 'low on funds' and 'have never met before'.

You're pretty much completely screwed. I think it's funny that you're talking like you have options when you don't even obviously realise that you have basically 0 options.
Also it's not one of the 'easier ways' to marry. It's hard as hell, and it's basically the ONLY way if you cannot prove 2 years of cohabitational conduct.

So yeah, it's hopeless. Without that I couldn't bother explaining anything else, I'll leave that up to others.


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Re: Options for moving to Finland

Post by rinso » Sun Mar 11, 2012 3:00 pm

There really is no chance of getting a job in Finland from abroad?
Unless you have a profession where you'll be head hunted, I would say your chances are close to zero.
low on funds,... never met,...do not want to marry
This indeed sounds like a mission impossible.
If you really want to come here, let your boyfriend take action and make it work for you. Depending on how much effort he puts in it, you can judge his commitment to the relation.

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Re: Options for moving to Finland

Post by interleukin » Sun Mar 11, 2012 3:52 pm

What kind of jobs will have, even a bit of possibility, can a foreigner get hired in Finland?
Have a look at www.mol.fi and look at the adverts that are in English.

Your problem is that you both need to find a job where you don't need Finnish/Swedish, and you need to convince the authorities that there is not a single person in the whole of EU that can do the job.
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Re: Options for moving to Finland

Post by Upphew » Sun Mar 11, 2012 3:57 pm

hamification wrote:What kind of jobs will have, even a bit of possibility, can a foreigner get hired in Finland?
Any kind if s/he is already in Finland with RP.

If on the other hand you try to get RP based on work, then the employer must first check if there is talent available in Finland and EU. If those fail then they can start the paperwork to import the worker from outside the EU. Do the math: how likely it is there isn't anyone in EU willing and able to work on the job you seek? As rinso said, you will know if you have the skills needed to get RP based on work.
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Re: Options for moving to Finland

Post by Rip » Sun Mar 11, 2012 5:59 pm

hamification wrote: 4. I'm 20 years old and have a degree from my country. Is studying in Finland an option for me? How much funds do I need to be a student in Finland? What should I do?
How about telling what that degree is? Studying is possible if you can get accepted to school and can show funds for 6000/year + health insurance (part time work is then allowed). Work permit for most educational backgrounds is probably quite difficult.

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Re: Options for moving to Finland

Post by tuulen » Mon Mar 12, 2012 4:32 am

hamification wrote:I have a degree in Mathematics. I know it doesn't mean anything in Finland, but I did go to one of the best universities in the country.
Technology is a MAJOR component of Finland's economy, and mathematics is a MAJOR component of technology, good for you! I am an engineer and I once worked closely with several ethnic Chinese who would sometimes leave otherwise incomprehensible notes to each other on our bulletin board, written in Chinese, BUT I could understand EVERYTHING written in mathematical terms that they said to each other! And Finland speaks the SAME mathematical language! That gives you something substantial to work with. ;-)

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Re: Options for moving to Finland

Post by Rip » Mon Mar 12, 2012 6:34 am

hamification wrote: I have a degree in Mathematics. I know it doesn't mean anything in Finland, but I did go to one of the best universities in the country.
Which level? Almost all of the university graduates have master's here. If you'd want to study here, the application period for most of the entrance level university students is now, ending 3rd of April. My (limited) understanding of employment situation of mathematics graduates is that apart from teacher's positions (because of language issue probably not for you) and university researchers (that must be relatively limited in number), there is a "steady" intake in banking, insurance business, public sector statistical operations and then some in industry, perhaps often helped by having done a thesis of a topic of their interest. Then there is of course plenty of areas in natural sciences, engineering and finance where the good mathematics skills can be a major asset both for actually doing the job, and also if you restart from undergraduate level to get the studies done speedily.

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Re: Options for moving to Finland

Post by Rip » Mon Mar 12, 2012 8:27 am

hamification wrote: I only have a bachelor's degree. My degree is actually mathematics, major in actuarial science, so my strength is in insurance. My undergrad thesis is also about insurance. Is there a chance I get a job in that field?
I'd think you'd still need both local language skills and some knowledge of Finnish/European legislation.

I do not know the area, but if I were you'd I'd try to get a master's here. If you can find suitable Master's course that you can get in that would be great. If you'd start officially from scratch, there is typically no mandatory attendance to be on lectures, so if you know the stuff to pass many of the basic level examinations directly, you can do that. Here a major problem is that the dominant language of teaching especially at the bachelor's level is Finnish (or Swedish).

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Re: Options for moving to Finland

Post by Upphew » Mon Mar 12, 2012 8:38 am

hamification wrote:I can't work in Finland even if I studied there.
Do your homework: http://www.migri.fi/studying_in_finland ... employment
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Re: Options for moving to Finland

Post by Rip » Mon Mar 12, 2012 8:38 am

hamification wrote: There's still a big problem about funding for me though. I'd need a lot of money, like one commenter said. Unlimited funds because I can't work in Finland even if I studied there.
"Kutittaa" is known to be bit negative sometimes. Official requirement is 6000€/year. You're legally allowed to work 25/h week during study terms (freely when there is recess). Of course you also need to find that job, but at least you don't need to prove to the employment office no local could do the job.

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Re: Options for moving to Finland

Post by rinso » Mon Mar 12, 2012 2:56 pm

hamification wrote: Please consider too that we're both young. I'm 20, and he's 22. I'm not milking a rich older Finnish guy here. He's a university student.
I'm not talking about milking or taking advantage, I'm talking about helping you getting things sorted out.
I always think it is weird that people ask complete strangers for help when they have a relation with a Finn. If he is not willing to put time and effort into your problem, then I fear for your relationship.

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Re: Options for moving to Finland

Post by Oombongo » Mon Mar 12, 2012 5:10 pm

rinso wrote: I'm not talking about milking or taking advantage, I'm talking about helping you getting things sorted out.
I always think it is weird that people ask complete strangers for help when they have a relation with a Finn. If he is not willing to put time and effort into your problem, then I fear for your relationship.
and specially when you never met him/her before.
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Re: Options for moving to Finland

Post by tuulen » Mon Mar 12, 2012 7:47 pm

hamification wrote:My degree is actually mathematics, major in actuarial science, so my strength is in insurance. My undergrad thesis is also about insurance.
Your major was in actuarial science, but your degree was in mathematics and so I assume that you are trained in algebra, geometry, trigonometry, calculus and differential equations. If so, then you already have the mathematical training required to study MANY other fields of science and technology.

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Re: Options for moving to Finland

Post by interleukin » Tue Mar 13, 2012 10:15 am

I don't know if he knows where to ask for help about this
Well the point is that he should be able to find out. He can google things in Finnish, he can ask around. Of course he doesn´t know anything about immigrating to Finland, but if you think about it, who would be better qualified to find out info from your home country about moving there, he or you (the right answer is of course you).
If you move to Finland to be with him, you are like a child for the first year or so, very much dependent on him. If he can not manage to look for any of this info and you have to ask unqualified people in an internet forum about these important things, then you should really consider if this is a good idea. Sorry, not trying to be nasty, just my opinion.
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Re: Options for moving to Finland

Post by browndude » Tue Mar 13, 2012 11:32 am

If you are motivated and have good grades in your bachelors degree, have you considered applying for a PhD position in Finland?
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