NEED YOUR HELP PLEASE URGENT !!

[Kutittaa]

If he is staying there illegally and you know this then you need to inform the proper authorties. That is, you need to call the police and tell them this so they can handle it or forward it to the relevant group that do. The fact that you are even getting involved with someone who is illegally staying in a country, or who is breaking the law in general is just quite pathetic and immature.

You need to step back and take a serious look at what you want in life. Do you want to go around chasing one idiot who cannot work his life out properly? Or do you want to actually make something of yourself.

The fact that you thought you could walk in here and write a stupid bunch of immature crap and that we would help you and the person you whom you have a crush on to live in Finland illegally... is just totally beyond me.

You and anyone else who knows that he is staying in Finland illegally are an accessory to a crime.
Grow up girl.

Of course since his visa is outdated he has to go back to his home country, wait 6 months and apply for a new Schengen visa. This also shows how much he is willing to do to be with you.

Yet in your inital quote you said he'll be banned for several years.. You know that those bans are pretty much LIFE bans. They may be for several years but what country is going to EVER grant ANYONE the right to come back even after several years if they have already proven themselves to be a disloyal bastard?

Either way I sort of had a hard time figuring out what you were trying to say because what you said first was the facts. What you said last seems to sound like what COULD be possible if this idiot guy hadn't already broken the law. Besides, like another said.. Germany is part of the Schengen Area... these 2 are both idiots and are both doomed. The best advice we as a forum can offer this moron is to tell her/them the truth so their idiocy cannot reproduce. It's fools like this that are the reason we have problems with immigration, slackers and other bs in countries around the world in the first @#$% place.

[rinso]

Of course since his visa is outdated he has to go back to his home country, wait 6 months and apply for a new Schengen visa. This also shows how much he is willing to do to be with you.

Yet in your inital quote you said he'll be banned for several years..

If he get caught, he'll be kicked out with a ban for 3 - 5 years.
If he leaves without being caught he can try again (with the 6 months waiting period)

You know that those bans are pretty much LIFE bans. They may be for several years but what country is going to EVER grant ANYONE the right to come back even after several years if they have already proven themselves to be a disloyal bastard?

No I don't know. As far as visa are concerned, when the ban is over there are no extra restrictions.
Actually iirc this happened even to one of our forum members.
A bad reputation might harm his chances for a residence permit, but when he clearly fulfil the conditions it should not be a problem.

[MagicJ]

Generalising here but,
Occupation: Dancer notoriously frisky , full of the language of love , like to seduce women probably dances with a number of nubile young women while you're out of the country, will no doubt ask one of them to marry him because he only has one concern above everything else, to get a residence permit somewhere far away from home if you can't provide that someone else will, i'm sure of it.

Er....good luck?



Kippis

[EternelSunset]

So the only way to make him legal is to marry a girl from finland ?
am i right ?

[onkko]

So the only way to make him legal is to marry a girl from finland ?
am i right ?

That doesnt make him legal. Its reason to make him legal but if immigration thinks its fraud, what it is, then goodbye.

[rinso]

So the only way to make him legal is to marry a girl from finland ?
am i right ?

Only way to make him legal is to move back home and apply for a residence permit from there.
Every official action he starts here when he is illegal will result in his deportation.

For a residence permit he needs a "reason". Marrying a Finn is one option, having a work contract (at least for 2 years) is another.
He can also try to find a study place at an university (but the autumn intakes are already closed). And in case he gets a study permit, he has to leave after the study is finished.

edit: He cannot claim that he already has work here, since working with a visa is also forbidden.
From whatever angle you look at it, it seems he is completely screwed.

[pierrot]

I hope it's not a salsa dancer from tampere...
http://www.hs.fi/english/article/Shock+ ... 9103492477

[Kutittaa]

If he leaves without being caught he can try again (with the 6 months waiting period)

But it's quite easy to see on the passport that the person left over the time he/she was allowed to stay in the country. These days almost everything is electronic. I would say that the chances of not being found out, and/or the chances of being able to come back provided that they didn't come smashing down your door are still pretty much entirely slim-to-none...

Maybe back in the days of pen & paper you could get away with this but I'd bet house and home you can't now. Those days are over. If you even so much as scan a credit card after oversaying your visa they come knocking on your door. I know for a fact that Australia sends teams of people just to hunt down a single person and they jump on it the moment he/she shows any sort of ID or scans any sort of document. You can't live in a place these days without having to do those things, all you can do is prolong the time that they can't find you.

As for allowing someone back into the country after the ban is over. Think of it yourself, if you were the person who makes the decision and it wasn't like you were getting paid extra to accept or deny those people. What would your actions be? Would you allow someone who has previously overstayed their visa intentionally, for their own personal benefit to enter the country again and risk that they reoffend or commit some other sort of crime? Or would you just tell them to take a hike back to their own country?

I'd send them back in @#$% tears if it were my choice.

I don't know of any cases where someone who has been banned for a certain time, has been allowed to come back into the country after their ban is lifted. That ban stays for life, and everyone I have ever spoken to has always referred to it as some sort of 'death sentence', that you will never be able to go back.

Hell, we're so strict here that we won't let you back in the country if you overstay by 1 day or if you get a parking fine that you haven't paid I could only assume Europe to be even more strict when it comes to protecting their standards.

[rinso]

But it's quite easy to see on the passport that the person left over the time he/she was allowed to stay in the country.

If they notice when you're in the departing cue, they don't bother to stop and process you to tell you to leave. (if you miss the plane, they have to pay for a new ticket to kick you out.)

As for allowing someone back into the country after the ban is over. Think of it yourself, if you were the person who makes the decision and it wasn't like you were getting paid extra to accept or deny those people. What would your actions be? Would you allow someone who has previously overstayed their visa intentionally, for their own personal benefit to enter the country again and risk that they reoffend or commit some other sort of crime? Or would you just tell them to take a hike back to their own country?

I'd send them back in @#$% tears if it were my choice.

Here we have rules that the civil servants follow. They don't use their own opinion to rewrite those rules.

I don't know of any cases where someone who has been banned for a certain time, has been allowed to come back into the country after their ban is lifted.

I do.

Hell, we're so strict here that we won't let you back in the country if you overstay by 1 day or if you get a parking fine that you haven't paid I could only assume Europe to be even more strict when it comes to protecting their standards.

Strict yes, paranoid no.

[network_engineer]

Hi!

I won't question the intelligence on the topic or the intended actions; however, the post and questions seem desperate for possibilities. If you were married to him, he could move around the EU (including Finland) as the spouse of an EU citizen. Whether this requires you to have lived in your country of nationality beforehand, I am not sure.

Whether you can get married here or not; unfortunately, I do not know either. Residence itself, as I glean, is not mandatory, I have known a person (nonEU) who got married here, and then applied for a permit. In that case, the marriage was long due, or so I am told.

Kind regards!

[Rip]

If you were married to him, he could move around the EU (including Finland) as the spouse of an EU citizen.

Assuming that EU citizen can show a job or other means to support them.

Residence itself, as I glean, is not mandatory, I have known a person (nonEU) who got married here, and then applied for a permit.

Yes, but i make a bold guess that his/her spouse was at least a resident and maybe even that friend of yours was here legally and had the proper documentation showing he/she was unmarried.

[network_engineer]

Assuming that EU citizen can show a job or other means to support them

Not necessary, IMHO. As far as I understand, means that the family can support themselves, not necessarily on the EU citizen though. I've heard of cases in friend's circles, where the husband (non-EU) moved to another EU country, started work, based on the EU citizenship of the wife; the wife, an EU citizen, was a stay-at-home mom. I could be mistaken without all the details though.

bold guess that his/her spouse was at least a resident and maybe even that friend of yours was here legally and had the proper documentation showing he/she was unmarried.

- no, not a resident
- yes, legally here in Finland, although on a tourist permit
- yes, obtained proper documentation before getting married
- "long due": they had been dating for several years, both online (whatever that means), and in person locally (at her country of citizenship).

That being said, I refuse to judge on the sensibility of the OP in this case.

Kind regards.

[rinso]

- yes, legally here in Finland, although on a tourist permit
- yes, obtained proper documentation before getting married

So marrying seems possible for foreigners. But it does not guaranty a residence permit. As said before, you need to prove something else too.

[simon]

I hope it's not a salsa dancer from tampere...
http://www.hs.fi/english/article/Shock+ ... 9103492477

I was thinking the same thing.

[Rick1]

So the only way to make him legal is to marry a girl from finland ?
am i right ?

Must not be too difficult, couple of years ago in HS, one of the smartest ladies in Finland; was married three times to a foreigner (with kids from all of them, to make the tax payer even more happy) also divorced three times and did get some idea now that the purpose was for a residence permit. Must also be the smartest people of Finland there in immigration if I read this.