Adult Child of Finnish Heritage

[Pursuivant]

Back in the 70's the local parish chancery would have been the person to go for.

[tuulen]

And your "government representative" is total, absolute BS. Closest equivalent is either parliament member of that area or local council member. NEITHER of whom are correct address for SusanK to approach.

OK, I see what you are saying, thank you.

There may be a quick and easy way for SusanK to become a Finnish citizen. That is what a government office could tell her, and right now she is speaking with a Finnish embassy. But if there is no quick and easy way that a government office could know of, then a parliament member (= government representative) could not only quote the current citizenship laws, but could also tell her of the political situation, as to what, if any, relevant citizenship laws could be upcoming, as to what new citizenship laws might apply to her in the future. SusanK is in a "special" situation, where her parents are from Finland and her older sister was born in Finland, and so SusanK is ALMOST a Finnish citizen, but not yet.

My point was that for somebody in her situation, a government office could quote the current laws, but a government representative could also give some insight, too.

[Rip]

My point was that for somebody in her situation, a government office could quote the current laws, but a government representative could also give some insight, too.

When in hole, first thing to do is stop digging. (That is for you). You've been giving bad advice from the start, so how about stopping right now.

If there was any doubt, the parliamentary discussions during the last change of citizenship law confirmed that most of the parliamentary members don't even understand the law as it currently is (or was).

[tuulen]

My point was that for somebody in her situation, a government office could quote the current laws, but a government representative could also give some insight, too.

When in hole, first thing to do is stop digging. (That is for you). You've been giving bad advice from the start, so how about stopping right now.

If there was any doubt, the parliamentary discussions during the last change of citizenship law confirmed that most of the parliamentary members don't even understand the law as it currently is (or was).

OK, you begin with saying just what "bad" advice I have given. The onus is now on YOU.

My point is that government offices can "quote" laws, but that government representatives can "interpret" laws.

[onkko]

My point is that government offices can "quote" laws, but that government representatives can "interpret" laws.

No they cant, they have no control after law is set. Only place what interpret laws is court.

[tuulen]

My point is that government offices can "quote" laws, but that government representatives can "interpret" laws.

No they cant, they have no control after law is set. Only place what interpret laws is court.

You are correct, onkko, as only a court can interpret law.

SusanK has no court to go to, and if a government office cannot provide Finnish citizenship for her, then a government representative is her best alternative, IMO.

[onkko]

My point is that government offices can "quote" laws, but that government representatives can "interpret" laws.

No they cant, they have no control after law is set. Only place what interpret laws is court.

You are correct, onkko, as only a court can interpret law.

SusanK has no court to go to, and if a government office cannot provide Finnish citizenship for her, then a government representative is her best alternative, IMO.

government representative cant do anything and i mean anything, only one who can give her citizenship is goverment office what in this case is maahanmuuttovirasto..
Only thing what government representative can do is to try to get law changed but thats far from realistic when we just changed it and in any way it takes years.
And she has court to go, from hallinto-oikeus to korkein hallinto-oikeus.

[tuulen]

government representative cant do anything and i mean anything, only one who can give her citizenship is goverment office what in this case is maahanmuuttovirasto..
Only thing what government representative can do is to try to get law changed but thats far from realistic when we just changed it and in any way it takes years.
And she has court to go, from hallinto-oikeus to korkein hallinto-oikeus.

Yes, yes, the law is the law. Maybe SusanK can get Finnish citizenship under current law, or maybe not.

SusanK is now speaking with a Finnish embassy, and so she will learn what the law now is.

But if the law cannot provide Finnish citizenship for her, then a government representative is her best alternative.

Yes, in my PM to her, I warned her that a change of law could take a long time, maybe a very long time.

BTW, I also mentioned the "traditional" citizenship route to her, family ties (marriage), education, and employment, etc. She has relatives in Finland and she is a Finnish speaker.

[onkko]

So you are talking about MPs before she has decision? You are an idiot and you arent helping but confusing.
Law is relatively easy and its online, in english too. Talk about MPs when she has decision from The supreme administrative court.

[onkko]

Your "help" is like....
Her "someone is pounding on my door and telling he will kill me! should i call police?"
You "No! Call European Court of Human Rights because police will beat you up!"

[tuulen]

So you are talking about MPs before she has decision? You are an idiot and you arent helping but confusing.
Law is relatively easy and its online, in english too. Talk about MPs when she has decision from The supreme administrative court.

Right now SusanK is talking to a Finnish embassy, and the embassy will tell her what the law now is. OK, good!

But as a "foreigner" she has no court to go to. The law either grants her citizenship, or it does not. And if not, then a government representative is her next option.

[tuulen]

Your "help" is like....
Her "someone is pounding on my door and telling he will kill me! should i call police?"
You "No! Call European Court of Human Rights because police will beat you up!"

???

[onkko]

Your "help" is like....
Her "someone is pounding on my door and telling he will kill me! should i call police?"
You "No! Call European Court of Human Rights because police will beat you up!"

???

You are telling her to contact MP before she had any decision, thats same as my example.

[Rip]

OK, you begin with saying just what "bad" advice I have given. The onus is now on YOU.

Just can't stop digging?

Ok, your very first contribution here

For several years there was a legal "window" for declaration of Finnish citizenship, but that window closed a few years ago, although it appears that you could easily have qualified for Finnish citizenship at that time. However, rumor has it that the window could open again...

- completely ignoring the last larger round of changes made in 2011, including the new section 29, which simply states (with couple of exceptions not relevant here)

Entinen Suomen kansalainen saa ilmoituksesta Suomen kansalaisuuden.

"A former Finnish citizen may acquire Finnish citizenship by declaration"

- you talk about a rumours what might happen in the future, when it actually happened already over half year ago. The new law does not give rights for those who only children of former citizens (never citizens themselves), which were also included in the closed window, but Susan K talks about her parents being Finnish citizens, so that section is all that is needed here.

My point is that government offices can "quote" laws, but that government representatives can "interpret" laws.

Sadly, the parliamentarians poorly know even the existing laws and their valid interpretation set by the courts. The afore mentioned last round of changes made to the citizenship law offering good examples of that.

[tuulen]

completely ignoring the last larger round of changes made in 2011, including the new section 29, which simply states (with couple of exceptions not relevant here)

Entinen Suomen kansalainen saa ilmoituksesta Suomen kansalaisuuden.

"A former Finnish citizen may acquire Finnish citizenship by declaration"

- you talk about a rumours what might happen in the future, when it actually happened already over half year ago. The new law does not give rights for those who only children of former citizens (never citizens themselves), which were also included in the closed window, but Susan K talks about her parents being Finnish citizens, so that section is all that is needed here.

SusanK never was a Finnish citizen, so apparently SusanK cannot acquire citizenship by declaration. That was true for children under the "old" window, but not the "new" window.

My point is that government offices can "quote" laws, but that government representatives can "interpret" laws.

Sadly, the parliamentarians poorly know even the existing laws and their valid interpretation set by the courts. The afore mentioned last round of changes made to the citizenship law offering good examples of that.

The courts do have the final say, but parliamentarians SHOULD know the meaning of a law that they themselves wrote, especially of such a recent law.

Because she is a foreigner, SusanK does not have access to a Finnish court, and so access to a parliamentarian could be the next best thing.

But I also told her to not hold her breath while waiting for a citizenship law, and to consider the "normal" route for citizenship; temporary RP => permanent RP => citizenship