Moving from Sweden

scorp88 · Post by **scorp88** » Thu May 17, 2012 1:45 pm

Hello Everyone!

I have just found out this very good looking forum and I want some information and hope that I would get my answers from everyone. I am currently living in Sweden and have a temporary residence permit here. I was here for studies. I am not a EU citizen. My gf lives in Finland and we have decided to live together now and I am coming to Finland soon to live with her. So I wanted to ask that what kind of residence permit I have to apply since I already have a temporary permit of sweden and also the divorce of my gf is in process so there are few things to consider and I don't know whether I will get a residence permit of Finland if I come there and live there. Can I apply for a cohabitant case?

Please guide

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Upphew · Post by **Upphew** » Thu May 17, 2012 3:19 pm

http://migri.fi/residence_permits

Rip · Post by **Rip** » Thu May 17, 2012 3:35 pm

Residence permit only means that you could apply via our embassy in Stockholm, and not the one in or closest to your home country.

Cohabitation means living together (for two years prior to applying for permit). You do not live together if you live in Sweden and she in Finland. I doubt you could get it anyway if she is still legally married. Without 2 years of co-habitation you should be married, and obviously you can't be before here divorce is final.

scorp88 · Post by **scorp88** » Thu May 17, 2012 3:46 pm

Thank you for your reply and yes I doubted the same thing , she was saying me to come to finland and live with her but I had this confusion. Now I want to ask that is it possible to come there and live with her on the swedish residence permit which I still have with me and then later on apply for a residence permit from finland when her divorce complete fully? I was watching on finnish immigration website that I can apply for residence permit on the basis of personal relationship with her and of course I would be living with her as well. So what you think about that?

Thanks again

Kutittaa · Post by **Kutittaa** » Thu May 17, 2012 3:59 pm

With a pending divorce you are unlikely to get a permit to be able to stay in Finland.

scorp88 · Post by **scorp88** » Thu May 17, 2012 4:06 pm

I mean when her divorce get completed fully

interleukin · Post by **interleukin** » Thu May 17, 2012 4:10 pm

I mean when her divorce get completed fully

Then you have to live together for two years (and able to prove it) before you can apply. Or you get married to her.

Kutittaa · Post by **Kutittaa** » Thu May 17, 2012 4:17 pm

scorp88 wrote:I mean when her divorce get completed fully

Any previous divorce, especially one that wasn't long ago is still perhaps going to make a difference on your application.. and like interleukin said, you will either have to prove 2 years of cohabitation (which, with a pending divorce I doubt you can do) or marry. Simple as that.

scorp88 · Post by **scorp88** » Thu May 17, 2012 4:27 pm

her divorce is soon going to be completed so that is not a problem. so if we start to live together then what kind of residence permit I would have to apply? lets say about two cases,

1- her divorce is completed and we are living together without getting married
2-her divorce is completed and we get married then and living together as well

Upphew · Post by **Upphew** » Thu May 17, 2012 4:44 pm

scorp88 wrote:her divorce is soon going to be completed so that is not a problem. so if we start to live together then what kind of residence permit I would have to apply? lets say about two cases,

1- her divorce is completed and we are living together without getting married
2-her divorce is completed and we get married then and living together as well

1. study or work (family member, if you have lived together for two years and have the paper trail to show)
2. study, work or family member

scorp88 · Post by **scorp88** » Thu May 17, 2012 7:15 pm

I am still confused actually as the thing which I wanted to ask is that I have swedish residence card at the moment and if my gf divoce gets final and then if i come to finland then what kind of residence permit I can apply which I can get easily to start living with her. and are there other conditions as well like if the gf is doing job or things like that? or if I have to provide proof that I can support myself and so on....please guide

Upphew · Post by **Upphew** » Thu May 17, 2012 8:05 pm

scorp88 wrote:I am still confused actually as the thing which I wanted to ask is that I have swedish residence card at the moment and if my gf divoce gets final and then if i come to finland then what kind of residence permit I can apply which I can get easily to start living with her. and are there other conditions as well like if the gf is doing job or things like that? or if I have to provide proof that I can support myself and so on....please guide

Swedish RP is valid in Sweden. Finland is not Sweden. And I'm able and willing to haul some TM 65 77s to keep it that way.

If you want to come to reside in Finland you have to get RP on some grounds. Study, work or family ties are the usual ones. Love is not. Moving together is not. See the migri page I linked and see if you can fit yourself to any of those categories. If not, then there is not easy way.

Kutittaa · Post by **Kutittaa** » Fri May 18, 2012 11:46 am

Regardless there is no easy way. The process is never easy. You can't just leap-frog into another country when your permit runs out unless you have a reason to be able to. Even then the 'landing' isn't exactly that comfortable.

You have already had your options put on the table for you.

1. Prove that you have been cohabiting with this new girl for 2 years. Proof such as bank documents, receipts with the same address, bills etc. (But I doubt you can do this because you just divorced someone in Sweden)

2. Marry this new girl. You'll be married and then you're considered 'family' no need to prove 2 years of living together etc. But regardless on point 1. and 2. having ANY previous divorce and especially so soon isn't going to look good.
3. Find work. Though this is going to be impossible in the time-frame that you want to move in. Do you even speak any Finnish?
4. Get into Uni. Again, this is going to be impossible in the time-frame you want to move in.

Look... other people might be a bit 'nicer' but I'm going to just give it to you in black and white.

Your only real chance is to marry. Unless you speak Finnish and can magically find a job in no time at all. (No chance) or suddenly get into Uni (You just missed the application date).
Apart from that, in regards to point 1. and 2. because you are divorced it may, (key word is may, but it's still quite probable) that it will negatively affect the decision on your permit.

So no, this is in no way going to be an 'easy' move. It's never meant to be. My suggestion is that, if your new 'wife-to-be' in Finland loves you so much, she will go back to your own country.

Pursuivant · Post by **Pursuivant** » Fri May 18, 2012 3:27 pm

The way things are, she can move to Sweden as a Nordic citizen. You on the other hand can not just "move" to Finland with a Swedish RP. Also, if you move from Sweden and your Swedish permit runs out, and you can not get a Finnish permit, you can end up back in the "non-EU country", so check the scenarios carefully.

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