Applying for RP in Finland

fredrick · Post by **fredrick** » Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:01 am

Hello

I am going to apply for my first residence permit here in finland on the basis of family ties. Me and my fiance just moved to finland 2 months ago. My fiance is finnish and i am applying for residence permit on the basis of cohabitation. We lived together about 3 and a half year in Austria.
My question is, What to write under occupation heading. Because right now I am not doing anything and unemployed but according to my qualification, I am an electrical engineer. So should I write ''Engineer'' or ''Unemployed''. Cuz I have this feeling that if I write engineer and they will find out that i am not working, they might reject my application and vice versa. And other than that, how they will check that I really am engineer, because in the attachments, degrees are not required.

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tuulen · Post by **tuulen** » Tue Jul 10, 2012 3:03 am

To answer your questions: http://migri.fi/frontpage

If you have any other questions: http://migri.fi/contact_information <-- In your situation, you might need this.

For instance, you "say" that you cohabited, but can you legally "prove" that you cohabited?

AldenG · Post by **AldenG** » Tue Jul 10, 2012 3:50 am

For a family-ties permit, means of support is not asked or checked.

The form asks your "Occupation and/or training" -- not your employer. That's not one of the things they'd be allowed to reject you for.
(The form you need is OLE_PH2.)

I'm assuming you're not Austrian or other EU. If you were, you wouldn't need a residence permit at all. You'd only need to register yourself.

tuulen · Post by **tuulen** » Tue Jul 10, 2012 3:58 am

AldenG wrote:I'm assuming you're not Austrian or other EU. If you were, you wouldn't need a residence permit at all. You'd only need to register yourself.

I made that same assumption. Thanks, Alden!

Pursuivant · Post by **Pursuivant** » Tue Jul 10, 2012 10:35 am

Cuz I have this feeling that if I write engineer and they will find out that i am not working, they might reject my application and vice versa

Cuz if you don't have a permit, you can not work, so if you was, you'd be deported... OF COURSE YOU ARE WITHOUT WORK - you are not "unemployed" as you're not in the workforce available for work. Engineer, one washer short.

Rip · Post by **Rip** » Tue Jul 10, 2012 11:12 am

fredrick wrote:how they will check that I really am engineer, because in the attachments, degrees are not required.

It's more of an old habit than anything more. Occupation is asked in many forms, even with most it does not really matter.
Engineer, Electrical engineer, B. Sc. (Engineering), or what ever was your last actual job title - it does not really matter

Rara · Post by **Rara** » Tue Jul 10, 2012 12:26 pm

fredrick wrote:Hello

I am going to apply for my first residence permit here in finland on the basis of family ties. Me and my fiance just moved to finland 2 months ago. My fiance is finnish and i am applying for residence permit on the basis of cohabitation. We lived together about 3 and a half year in Austria.
My question is, What to write under occupation heading. Because right now I am not doing anything and unemployed but according to my qualification, I am an electrical engineer. So should I write ''Engineer'' or ''Unemployed''. Cuz I have this feeling that if I write engineer and they will find out that i am not working, they might reject my application and vice versa. And other than that, how they will check that I really am engineer, because in the attachments, degrees are not required.

Just write ELECTRICAL ENGINEER!! this is the correct answer.
Last time i wrote my application like that, Im engineer also
Even you aren t working at this moment. Its about your skill or your profession.

fredrick · Post by **fredrick** » Wed Jul 11, 2012 2:15 am

Hi,

Thanks everybody

and I am from canada originally and canadian citizen. I lived in germany and austria in last about 8 years.

tuulen · Post by **tuulen** » Wed Jul 11, 2012 3:56 am

fredrick wrote:Hi,

Thanks everybody and I am from canada originally and canadian citizen. I lived in germany and austria in last about 8 years.

You really should contact http://migri.fi/contact_information to KNOW what your legal position is.

Violation of Finnish immigration laws can and will be held against you. That is NOT good.

Pursuivant · Post by **Pursuivant** » Wed Jul 11, 2012 9:05 am

tuulen wrote:to KNOW what your legal position is.

Well he's a tourist. After he submits, he is a limbo-tourist. Now the interesting bit is, if this is going to be regarded an EU-case or not as they both were Austrian residents.

tuulen · Post by **tuulen** » Wed Jul 11, 2012 2:05 pm

Pursuivant wrote:
tuulen wrote:to KNOW what your legal position is.
Well he's a tourist. After he submits, he is a limbo-tourist. Now the interesting bit is, if this is going to be regarded an EU-case or not as they both were Austrian residents.

The OP, fredrick, said that he is a Canadian citizen, non-EU, which could lead to legal complications.

pierrot · Post by **pierrot** » Wed Jul 11, 2012 3:18 pm

tuulen wrote:
Pursuivant wrote:
tuulen wrote:to KNOW what your legal position is.
Well he's a tourist. After he submits, he is a limbo-tourist. Now the interesting bit is, if this is going to be regarded an EU-case or not as they both were Austrian residents.
The OP, fredrick, said that he is a Canadian citizen, non-EU, which could lead to legal complications.

Hank was talking about RESIDENTS not citizens!

Pursuivant · Post by **Pursuivant** » Wed Jul 11, 2012 3:36 pm

To my knowlege, an "EU resident" can move "with non-EU spouse" so the spouse "gets registered" when they move from one EU country to another due to this "free movement" and !"#¤% ... so if some gyppos get free movement why don't Finnish citizens I just ask? Or is it just that Finns are 2nd class citizens in their own country...

Rip · Post by **Rip** » Wed Jul 11, 2012 9:39 pm

Pursuivant wrote:
tuulen wrote:to KNOW what your legal position is.
Well he's a tourist. After he submits, he is a limbo-tourist. Now the interesting bit is, if this is going to be regarded an EU-case or not as they both were Austrian residents.

I'd guess it actually depends on which paper they decide to submit. As they are moving from another EU country they can apply based on the EU route, applying for a residence card for family member of a EU citizen (Finnish citizen moving from another EU country = immigrating EU citizen), on the other hand I see absolutely nothing in the law preventing them also applying for a residence permit for a non-EU spouse of a Finnish citizen.

Which is a better route? I have no idea - and it is possible the answer depends how one subjectively weighs some differences - or if there for one reason or another is significantly longer processing time at the police station for one kind of application.

Pursuivant · Post by **Pursuivant** » Wed Jul 11, 2012 9:57 pm

EU makes the light shine out of your ass - as far as say egyptian grandmothers are concerned.

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