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Looking for Job in Finland

Post by daar » Mon Sep 24, 2012 12:09 pm

Good Morning, I'm an Identity designer actually based in Rome (Italy), and I'm wondering if there is any chance to find an opportunity in Finland.
I'd say that I'm not that young, but experienced yes. My field of expertise is Brand Identity, and my actual goal, after 35y of work, could probably be teaching to young designers.
Theaching or, better helping young designers to find their own way to express their talent and potential.
I speak Italian, English and French, and I'm sure the main challenge could be learning finnish. I'll give to myself six months to complete the task... :)
If anyone's interested, I post the link to my portfolio (hope it's not breaking any rule, uh?).

www.danielearnaldi.com/Daar_2012.zip

Thanks to anybody interested.
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Daniele Arnaldi



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Re: Looking for Job in Finland

Post by Pursuivant » Mon Sep 24, 2012 12:22 pm

I'll give to myself six months to complete the task...
Eh, 6 months... che cazzo foi :lol: 6 years maybe, though Italians have good pronunciation, you just need to learn to speak holding two glasses full to the rim without spilling. As italians cannot breathe without the windmill action of the hands you will not speak so much to annoy anyone that you can live past 6 months, and don't scare the children and cattle with the windmill hands, so maybe it is possible. ;)
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Re: Looking for Job in Finland

Post by daar » Mon Sep 24, 2012 12:58 pm

:) tell me the truth: you had a bad accident, did you? There is no reason to be rude, though surely you seem to have something really personal against italians. Wow!, guess what, I'm Jew also, anything else to add ?

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Re: Looking for Job in Finland

Post by interleukin » Mon Sep 24, 2012 1:08 pm

While Pursuivant´s style of response is somewhat eccentric, he knows what he is talking about. Finnish is really hard to learn, and I´d say the only way to learn Finnish in six month is to get airdropped into a hut in central Eastern FInland and not get any food unless you ask for it in perfect Finnish. Even then, you´d end up pretty skinny. :)

Have a look at the kielikoulu section of the forum viewforum.php?f=9 for more info about Finnish.
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Re: Looking for Job in Finland

Post by daar » Mon Sep 24, 2012 1:30 pm

:) I know that's a very hard task. In fact I put a smiley face to better point out that it was a joke. Now, to see somebody who's quoting (in your own language} "what the @#$% are you doing?" I'd say it's quite "eccentric" yes, probably in his intentions it wasn't meant to be rude, but in fact that is. I'm always not very well impressed from anybody who categorizes people. Like White, Blacks, Indian, Jews, Italians. I know as a nation we do not have such a good reputation, but I'm going ballistic {again :) ] when I hear ... uh! ah! Germans! - Italians! or whatsoever. Usually is called "prejudice". :)
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Re: Looking for Job in Finland

Post by Adrian42 » Mon Sep 24, 2012 1:32 pm

daar wrote:My field of expertise is Brand Identity, and my actual goal, after 35y of work, could probably be teaching to young designers.
At what university or school are students taught this subject in Finland?

For students, there surely are only one or very few places in Finland where they would learn about that as part of their studies.

Find these place(s), and ask them about vacancies and formal requirements for lecturers.

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Re: Looking for Job in Finland

Post by CCsuomi » Mon Sep 24, 2012 1:43 pm

I agree with daar. I'm new member of the forum, Pursuviant, but I see that you're a prolific poster of snarky, unhelpful comments that detract rather than add to the conversation. Shouldn't we try to keep it civil and straightforward?

Daar, many universities and polytechnics offer design-related study programs taught in English. Check here: http://www.studyinfinland.fi/study_opti ... s_database

A quick search gave me 35 programs all over Finland.
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Re: Looking for Job in Finland

Post by daar » Mon Sep 24, 2012 1:44 pm

Usually Design, Visual, Industrial. You may have an idea of what probably could be, if you'll check out websites like
http://www.ied.edu/
in Italy
or as an other example
http://www.bezalel.ac.il/en/
in Israel.
I am actually lecturing (from time to time) at the Unimore (University of Modena and Reggio Emilia) at the Department Marketing and Science of Communications.
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Re: Looking for Job in Finland

Post by Pursuivant » Mon Sep 24, 2012 2:08 pm

There is no reason to be rude, though surely you seem to have something really personal against italians.
Theres no need to be stupid my dear,how about you reimagine Berlusconi before you start being uppity to your betters. :lol:
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Re: Looking for Job in Finland

Post by Adrian42 » Mon Sep 24, 2012 2:28 pm

Adrian42 wrote:At what university or school are students taught this subject in Finland?
http://arts.aalto.fi/en/studies/programmes/master/ is likely one such place

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Re: Looking for Job in Finland

Post by Pursuivant » Mon Sep 24, 2012 2:50 pm

[quote=http://www.lamk.fi/english/Sivut/default.aspx]Lahti Polytechnic[/quote] might be there too.
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Re: Looking for Job in Finland

Post by RaulOne » Mon Sep 24, 2012 3:39 pm

It can be done in six months, don't listen to those who say that is not possible. Most of those who say that is because they are not able or because they are lazy or because they only go to those courses which are 2 hours 1 or 2 days a week. If you are fast learning you can learn the language in 6 months for sure (i've seen real cases). And for those who says that u cant find a job without suomi is not true. I'm working and i dont speak suomi. Never let others tell you which are your limitations only because their limitations are those.

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Re: Looking for Job in Finland

Post by Hank W. » Tue Sep 25, 2012 1:43 am

RaulOne wrote:It can be done in six months, don't listen to those who say that is not possible.
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If you are fast learning you can learn the language in 6 months for sure (i've seen real cases).
Yes exactly, and theres also cases of people who have lived here 20 years or more, and still can't form a coherent sentence. It depends, but Finnish is claimed to be one of the most difficult languages, though I'd claim ones with intonation, was it 5 different pitches in Thai? would be harder (especially if you are tone deaf). But unless you are a prodigy with languages - six months full immersion only Finnish full-time - yes. As an evening course... how was that in Italian now?

I've taught people to speak Finnish, or actually, to listen to Finnish. The latter is a talent that one needs to achieve, as due to the nature of the language (grammar suffixes) you need to be able to figure out the words so you can then try and find them in the dictionary. But that is not a problem - if you learn to listen. Finnish is good in that sense, as you don't need to speak that much so you have time to figure out your answer - actually the less you speak (and wave your hands) the more people will think you know Finnish. Half of the knowledge comes from the observation of the body language. Or rather - the lack of it. Now if you are able to observe and imitate not only the intonation (or lack of) and the long pauses, also the distance between speakers and the stiff pokerface, you'll be "fluent" in the Finnish nonverbal communication and you will fit in the crowd. Its all subliminal, humans observe things like body language unconsciously and feel or "get vibes" as they say, but its all things you learn while you grow up from your surroundings.

If you come from a similar "stiff and distant" body language culture, say the Nordics or UK, you got not so much awkwardness if you come from a more expressionate and intimate culture like say in France or Italy, ever heard of the "diplomat tango"? The Italian diplomat takes a step forward, to have a discussion as his space bubble is very small, and the Finnish diplomat takes a step back as his "space" bubble is three times as big - and people do this unconciously as the concept of "personal space" is something wired in the person and you need to make an effort to break from it - if you can. And Finns will get subconciously annoyed as you talk too much and too fast for them - they are still in mid-sentence when others chip in, Finnish "pregnant pauses" are like elephant pregnancy - very long duration.

The two full pints is actually a good test, can you "speak in Finnish" - that is, can you stand silently for about 15 minutes, without a sound, without a nudge, and then grunt a "joo-o", without moving your hands, to a person standing a meter and a half away you are having this intimate discussion with? Remember the eye contact, a good stare! You'd be surprised how many things you do without realising you are doing them. And, body languages differ...what is natural in places is all wrong in Finland and vice versa - just read the "staring" thread it T&S.
And for those who says that u cant find a job without suomi is not true. I'm working and i dont speak suomi.
It all depends in which job niche you manage to land in, or if you are able to carve your own niche. Some people are in a profession that this isn't an issue. Some people find themselves getting then put off once they can show YKI3 as they don't speak Swedish on top. It all depends.
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Re: Looking for Job in Finland

Post by dave071061 » Tue Sep 25, 2012 8:18 am

Wow, Hank is back :)

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Re: Looking for Job in Finland

Post by Rick1 » Tue Sep 25, 2012 10:13 am

Probably finished his ban on the forum :) Can Op tell why he is so interested in Finland? Must be the nice climat, taxes, food etc. Would not be a lady would it?


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