Working in another country but moving to Finland

Ambrosia · Post by **Ambrosia** » Sun Oct 07, 2012 10:21 pm

Hi,

I have a question which to me seems a bit odd if not tricky.
So let's say my family has a business in the Netherlands and all I require is a internet connection in order to work.
But then I want to move to Finland and continue working for my family's company in the Netherlands.

Is that possible and on what grounds would/could one apply for right of residence in Finland?
- not married
- no child
- not coming to study

That leaves co-habitation / registered partnership (difference is what?).
This isn't for me, just curious about something if this is even possible.
And you would have to learn the language or how does that work?

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Adrian42 · Post by **Adrian42** » Mon Oct 08, 2012 12:55 am

Ambrosia wrote:Hi,

I have a question which to me seems a bit odd if not tricky.
So let's say my family has a business in the Netherlands and all I require is a internet connection in order to work.
But then I want to move to Finland and continue working for my family's company in the Netherlands.

Is that possible and on what grounds would/could one apply for right of residence in Finland?
...
This isn't for me, just curious about something if this is even possible.

As long as the person is an EU citizen and has a job or sufficient funds and health insurance the local national government has the legal obligation to register the right of residence.

I don't know whether taxation and social security will be in the Netherlands or in Finland in this case, but registering the right of residence should not be a problem.

Ambrosia wrote:And you would have to learn the language or how does that work?

No, knowledge of Finnish or Swedish is not required.

Ambrosia · Post by **Ambrosia** » Mon Oct 08, 2012 2:21 am

Thank you, clear as water.
Just before reading this it came to mind that as long as a person can provide for themselves there shouldn't be a problem.

wolf80 · Post by **wolf80** » Mon Oct 08, 2012 4:52 pm

Just don't forget that you also have to pay taxes on your salary here in Finland!

IntoFinland is a great address to help you with social security and tax issues: http://www.infopankki.fi/en-GB/into/

Adrian42 · Post by **Adrian42** » Mon Oct 08, 2012 11:02 pm

wolf80 wrote:Just don't forget that you also have to pay taxes on your salary here in Finland!

Not "also".

The taxes have to be paid either in the Netherlands or in Finland (I don't know the contents of the double taxation agreement between the two countries).

Flossy1978 · Post by **Flossy1978** » Wed Oct 10, 2012 7:45 am

Isn't it so, if the person doesn't pay taxes here they can't be in the national register for things like KELA, unemployment etc?

tjawatts · Post by **tjawatts** » Sun Oct 14, 2012 10:38 pm

Even the company is in the Netherlands, you will be working in Finland if you are here the majority of the time and then will have to pay taxes etc in Finland.

T

Adrian42 · Post by **Adrian42** » Mon Oct 15, 2012 5:56 am

tjawatts wrote:Even the company is in the Netherlands, you will be working in Finland if you are here the majority of the time and then will have to pay taxes etc in Finland.

T

Your statement is not necessarily true, and the people I know who live in Finland but work (remotely) for companies in other countries pay their taxes on this income in the other countries.

Whether the taxes will be paid in Finland or the Netherlands depends on the contents of the double taxation agreement between the two countries.

Upphew · Post by **Upphew** » Mon Oct 15, 2012 3:22 pm

Adrian42 wrote:Whether the taxes will be paid in Finland or the Netherlands depends on the contents of the double taxation agreement between the two countries.

And said agreement can be found here: http://www.itc-leiden.nl/portals/7/down ... inland.pdf

tjawatts · Post by **tjawatts** » Wed Oct 17, 2012 1:21 am

Double taxation treaties generally prevent you being taxed twice, they dont decide which country you pay your taxes in (the linked treaty also says it is to prevent evasion of taxes).

If you are living mostly in Finland (>183 days) and carry out that work in Finland you will be liable to pay personal income tax in Finland.

http://www.mol.fi/mol/en/02_working/05_ ... /index.jsp

If people are not paying personal taxation in Finland and they are living and actually doing the work here, then hopefully they have taken professional tax advice or then they will get a nasty suprise soon from the tax man.

T

Adrian42 · Post by **Adrian42** » Wed Oct 17, 2012 12:28 pm

tjawatts wrote:Double taxation treaties generally prevent you being taxed twice, they dont decide which country you pay your taxes in (the linked treaty also says it is to prevent evasion of taxes).

If you are living mostly in Finland (>183 days) and carry out that work in Finland you will be liable to pay personal income tax in Finland.

http://www.mol.fi/mol/en/02_working/05_ ... /index.jsp

If people are not paying personal taxation in Finland and they are living and actually doing the work here, then hopefully they have taken professional tax advice or then they will get a nasty suprise soon from the tax man.

T

If you would read the whole treaty, instead of only the first line, then you wouldn't write such nonsense.

In this case the relevant part is Article 23, that states explicitely that taxes paid in the Netherlands on that income are deducted from the taxes that have to be paid in Finland on that income.

Upphew · Post by **Upphew** » Wed Oct 17, 2012 1:39 pm

Adrian42 wrote:
tjawatts wrote:Double taxation treaties generally prevent you being taxed twice, they dont decide which country you pay your taxes in (the linked treaty also says it is to prevent evasion of taxes).

If you are living mostly in Finland (>183 days) and carry out that work in Finland you will be liable to pay personal income tax in Finland.

http://www.mol.fi/mol/en/02_working/05_ ... /index.jsp

If people are not paying personal taxation in Finland and they are living and actually doing the work here, then hopefully they have taken professional tax advice or then they will get a nasty suprise soon from the tax man.

T
If you would read the whole treaty, instead of only the first line, then you wouldn't write such nonsense.

In this case the relevant part is Article 23, that states explicitely that taxes paid in the Netherlands on that income are deducted from the taxes that have to be paid in Finland on that income.

Yep, and before that the treaty states the 183 days rule...

cors187 · Post by **cors187** » Sun Oct 21, 2012 12:25 am

As a resident in a country(legally living there for 183 days or more), the income made in that country will be taxed in that country.

The basic rules apply for most countries which includes declaring any profits,dividends and any or all income/s from the exact resident country and any other country you make the money in,so if residing in finland you have to show the income+taxes you made in finland and the other countries income/s+taxes.
Then by design of double tax treaty you avoid being double taxed on your profits,dividends and any or all income/s.

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