Looking for Management Related Job

AvinashDhyani · Post by **AvinashDhyani** » Fri Nov 09, 2012 12:45 am

Hello Everybody! I am very new to this website, and one of my friend advised me to post my request about looking for a job.

I have done my MBA from Bangkok and currently I am looking for a job related with Project Manager or anything related Production , Operation or Sales management. Previously, I was working as Project manager for four years. There i was responsible from Implentation of Project on gound level to sales and distribultion for final product into the market. I carry more than 5 years experience in dealing with customers and creating stronger relatioship with final consumer. Currently i am living in Italy, near Milano and me and my wife would like to move to finland as there are less and less jobs available here. If any of you guys can advice me and tell us where to look for a job, please let me know .

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rinso · Post by **rinso** » Fri Nov 09, 2012 7:04 am

AvinashDhyani wrote:I carry more than 5 years experience in dealing with customers and creating stronger relatioship with final consumer.

Unless the customers you're dealing with are in Thailand, (near) fluent Finnish is one of the job requirements here.

as there are less and less jobs available here.

The situation is not very positive here either.
And as a foreigner you are in a disadvantaged position.

Rick1 · Post by **Rick1** » Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:50 am

Depends how you look at it Rinso (soon a new ship from Filipines coming?)

http://www.mol.fi/paikat/Search.do?lang ... rchphrase=

Ashken · Post by **Ashken** » Mon Nov 12, 2012 6:18 pm

[quote="Rick1"] (soon a new ship from Filipines coming?)

Do you mean Philippines? Sorry, I'm just not so used to my country being spelled that way

But anyway, good point... maybe I'll announce it to all the unemployed/underemployed nurses in our country that there are currently a few thousand jobs in the Health and Social Industry here in Finland?

Pursuivant · Post by **Pursuivant** » Mon Nov 12, 2012 6:55 pm

I think they know already, the language courses seem to have been quite popular.

Ashken · Post by **Ashken** » Mon Nov 12, 2012 7:42 pm

Filippiinit indeed. Of the around 400,000 unemployed/underemployed Filipino nurses at the moment, I bet around 0.1% knows about Finland.

Rick1 · Post by **Rick1** » Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:42 am

That is the strength of a healthy country, get these over 40 years of age unemployed people (and youngsters) (ok over 60 will be excempt) on a paid nursingschool (I guess about 2 1/2 years) and we are all happy, if you reject the offer, you might be cut in benefits.

I would go there if I was unemployed and could do nothing else. Finnish is difficult but possible if you want. What I read in the newspapers, these nurses might come alone but would like their family (understandable) also here, so in that way you put more pressure on the services because these people need jobs, benefits, education too. You can have a look at western europe how that went wrong. The young unemployed should have been pushed to get into the jobs which they did not want to do. Just spoke with somebody who said that because he studied soo much he should get a job he wanted and untill then he would accept nothing else.

Back to the op: do you really think that when you go to a foreign country, you get a management job? I see this only when foreign companies own subsidaries and sent their own people there, or you must have already a proven track record.

Adrian42 · Post by **Adrian42** » Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:04 am

Rick1 wrote:That is the strength of a healthy country, get these over 40 years of age unemployed people (and youngsters) (ok over 60 will be excempt) on a paid nursingschool (I guess about 2 1/2 years) and we are all happy, if you reject the offer, you might be cut in benefits.

Nursing is a very demanding job - both physically and psychologically, and if you are not able to act correctly under stress people will die.

When a 40 year old person has already problems with his back, knees, etc. he will not be able to work as a nurse.

Criminal record, alcohol problems or mentally not 100% stable? No way he could work as a nurse.

And in general you must be able to cope with that kind of job in many ways. As a random example, a person fainting when he sees a drop of blood will not be a good nurse.

Rick1 · Post by **Rick1** » Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:15 am

8 percent of say 2.000.000 = 160.000 people. Do you not think to get 2.500 nurses from that number?

Ofcourse there should be a selection but it is not brain surgeons we are looking for. Most people are still healthy after 40, with your logic we should all retire after 40 (I would volunteer immediately).

Adrian42 · Post by **Adrian42** » Tue Nov 13, 2012 4:00 pm

Rick1 wrote:8 percent of say 2.000.000 = 160.000 people. Do you not think to get 2.500 nurses from that number?

Ofcourse there should be a selection but it is not brain surgeons we are looking for. Most people are still healthy after 40, with your logic we should all retire after 40 (I would volunteer immediately).

Nurse is an extremely demanding job, and your "let's force unemployed people between 40 and 60 to become nurses" is really nonsense - anyone working without proper self-motivation in that job will either break down quickly or will cause the death of patients.

And I also doubt the average 50 year old unemployed person would succeed in the 3.5 years university study for a nursing degree.

rinso · Post by **rinso** » Tue Nov 13, 2012 4:37 pm

Adrian42 wrote: And I also doubt the average 50 year old unemployed person would succeed in the 3.5 years university study for a nursing degree.

I think you underestimate the motivation of an unemployed 50 yo.

enkeligod · Post by **enkeligod** » Tue Nov 13, 2012 6:23 pm

Brilliant idea the unemployment rate is getting up to 9 percent in Finland and the health sectoris facing shortage of staff. Wait what is wrong for nursing as a profession ? why is Finland looking to other countries to employ their health professionals while there are tons of unemployed Finns and foreigners sitting at home eating deep into the unemployment funds and socials. Why are they not sent to study nursing or Lähihoitaja and fill up the space at the health sectors. DO not tell me about demotivation, there is nothing demotivating than just sitting at home all day or year round, for the foreigners it should not be a language barrier, because 3 and a half year for one of the health related programs couple with language course in Finnish you have lot to achieve.

Hmmm.. 40 t0 50 years old is not too late to study, my Grandfather was at the university studying political science at the age of 68 years, when i asked why is he studying at this old age ? He responded by saying you die younger while sitting at home and not keeping your brains active into educational things can result to dementia and moreover "he is retired does not mean he is tired" , paying more to your retirement funds for more 15 to 20 years is a lot . I bet you 3 percent of the about 9 percent unemployed people to come soon in Finland , will choose the part to take a nursing or health related profession if it is an option for them to be employed again into the job market.

Just today, Metso cutting over 500 jobs and the Finnish export is fast declining. Create the jobs for those who are available here or enhance their skills to enable them work in other sectors of the economy where there is a demand should be the way forward to reduce the sky-rocketting and alarming unployment figures.

Adrian42 · Post by **Adrian42** » Tue Nov 13, 2012 7:39 pm

rinso wrote:
Adrian42 wrote: And I also doubt the average 50 year old unemployed person would succeed in the 3.5 years university study for a nursing degree.
I think you underestimate the motivation of an unemployed 50 yo.

It is not only about motivation.

For a 50 year old person a 3.5 year university study is much harder than for a 20 year old person.

Learning something becomes harder when you get older (the brain is also aging), and the usual benefit of age (experience) is missing when studying a completely new subject.

Adrian42 · Post by **Adrian42** » Tue Nov 13, 2012 7:55 pm

enkeligod wrote:Brilliant idea the unemployment rate is getting up to 9 percent in Finland and the health sectoris facing shortage of staff. Wait what is wrong for nursing as a profession ?

It is a tough job with a not so high social prestige and a not so good salary.

That makes many people who are considering it choose studying other subjects, for example medicine.

enkeligod wrote:why is Finland looking to other countries to employ their health professionals while there are tons of unemployed Finns and foreigners sitting at home eating deep into the unemployment funds and socials. Why are they not sent to study nursing or Lähihoitaja and fill up the space at the health sectors. ... I bet you 3 percent of the about 9 percent unemployed people to come soon in Finland , will choose the part to take a nursing or health related profession if it is an option for them to be employed again into the job market.

These are tough jobs with high responsibilities, where you often work in shifts doing things like handling sh*t, blood and vomit.

You must like that kind of work, and you must be physically and psychologically completely fit in that job.

Rick1 · Post by **Rick1** » Tue Nov 13, 2012 8:42 pm

@ enkeligod:

Finally somebody who understands the possibility instead of complaining for the ones who have not even complained yet. Deep in our hart we all want to contribute to a good society (ok the parasites not but they should not be encouraged to be parasites). We want to have self esteem and not be written off when we are 40. A lot of people of 40 are in better shape then their whole life playing computer teenagers. The people of the philipines also have to be retrained to get to work here. In my family I know people who are nurse, they are just people like you and me and every job has its responsibilities.

What is anyhow a bigger problem is the youth unemployment, IMO it is smarter to become a nurse now then study management, what are you going to manage when all the large companies are gone to 'cheap' countries?

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