Residence permit application form as spouse/dependant

[cors187]

I have a feeling that specialist means in and out of the country in 3-6months.its just a hunch.
Finland is full of specialists,highly qualified peeps.
I dont know what constitutes a specialist.

[cors187]

Just wonder what type of employment you are involved in.

construction, its not so special.

To be honest if i was a migri official , i dont see any difference if one guy coming into the country is 1 of 5 people in the world that can do the job, if he wants to stay he has to go through the legislation like everyone else.
But on the other hand " a specialist" can easily mean that a company needs a specialist to come in and do something for a period of time"not estimated", and they need him fast.

I really dont know where the line is drawn between "specialist" and "regular".
You should ask the company that is hiring.It will be their job definition and parameters that is judged.

[Pursuivant]

I dont know what constitutes a specialist.

Pursuivant's short answer: "If the light shines out your arse."

Migri's long-winded answer: "You may be considered to be a specialist if your work tasks are demanding and require university studies. A salary that is higher than average (gross salary of at least approximately € 3,000 per months) is also an indication of the demanding nature of your duties. In your application, you must prove that you meet these criteria. These criteria are used to evaluate whether you can be considered to be a specialist. Specialists include, for example, IT experts, experts in a special field who have a university degree, and other persons who have a university degree and whose duties require special expertise. If you do not meet these criteria, you will not be considered to be a specialist."

Pursuivant's snide remark: That you may be, means you probably ain't.

Migri's 3-month loophole explaining the miraculous 29-day turnaround: "If you are applying for a residence permit in Finland, you have the right to work as a specialist even before the permit is granted. The requirement is that you are staying in the country legally (you have a valid visa or you do not need one). However, your right to work terminates after three months, at the latest, and sooner, if your visa expires sooner."

[cors187]

A salary that is higher than average (gross salary of at least approximately € 3,000 per months) is also an indication of the demanding nature of your duties. "

Also considered in other countries as the executives rule.

[cors187]

Migri's 3-month loophole explaining the miraculous 29-day turnaround: "If you are applying for a residence permit in Finland, you have the right to work as a specialist even before the permit is granted. The requirement is that you are staying in the country legally (you have a valid visa or you do not need one). However, your right to work terminates after three months, at the latest, and sooner, if your visa expires sooner."

Might refer to the process being omitted from the employment office criteria.

[Pursuivant]

I don't think they loop through the employment office in any case these days?

[cors187]

I dont know what they are called , employment office seemed general enough.

[vkn2001]

Hi flowert2ee,

You can apply together for RP and you will get it together. we all applied from our home country and arrived here after got the RP.

Mine is Specialist category RP and i applied with my wife and child, got it with in 45 days.

My friends who applied like mine also got in the same time line.

We submitted the following forms...

OLE_TY2 (For my me)
OLE_PH1 (For my Wife)
PK1_Plus (For my Wife)
OLE_PH4 (For my child)
Pk4_Plus (For my child)
TEM 054 form (Given by Employer)

It is purely my experience, contact your local Finnish embassy for correct details for you case...

Thanks
vkn

[flowert2ee]

Hi vkn, thanks a lot for the information. It's very helpful to me. I believe what we discussed here would also help many people with the similar situation and doubts.

Just wonder if you submitted any assisting documents for your wife's application besides the marriage certificate, such as bank statement or deposit certificate etc? How did you deal with the blanks in her application form which didn't match your situation, such as "How have you kept in contact while your spouse has been in Finland?", "Why have you not applied for a Finnish residence permit before?" etc. Did you leave those questions blank? Thanks!

[flowert2ee]

Hi vkn, I have a further question regarding the marriage certificate. I noticed that migri requires it to be legalized --- "it is important that the officiating party is entitled to marry couples under the legislation of the country where the marriage has taken place". At the moment, we have the original marriage certificate and the English translation by a translation company. We applied for our UK residence permit using these documents. Do you think it would be also sufficient for Finnish RP?

Thanks a lot.

[Rip]

Hi vkn, I have a further question regarding the marriage certificate. I noticed that migri requires it to be legalized --- "it is important that the officiating party is entitled to marry couples under the legislation of the country where the marriage has taken place". At the moment, we have the original marriage certificate and the English translation by a translation company. We applied for our UK residence permit using these documents. Do you think it would be also sufficient for Finnish RP?

If you want to get your permit approved, and approved as quickly as possible (and the two permits at the same time) it seems dumb to start thinking which corners you might be able to cut- especially if this based on what somebody might tell you on a internet message board while contradicting the advice given by the authority making those decisions. Legalization is supposed to give the Finnish authorities a direct proof that the document submitted to them actually is what it claims it is.

[flowert2ee]

Hi vkn, I have a further question regarding the marriage certificate. I noticed that migri requires it to be legalized --- "it is important that the officiating party is entitled to marry couples under the legislation of the country where the marriage has taken place". At the moment, we have the original marriage certificate and the English translation by a translation company. We applied for our UK residence permit using these documents. Do you think it would be also sufficient for Finnish RP?

If you want to get your permit approved, and approved as quickly as possible (and the two permits at the same time) it seems dumb to start thinking which corners you might be able to cut- especially if this based on what somebody might tell you on a internet message board while contradicting the advice given by the authority making those decisions. Legalization is supposed to give the Finnish authorities a direct proof that the document submitted to them actually is what it claims it is.

Hi Rip, I just wanna make sure that "legalized" is defined the same in both the UK and Finland. It is not "cutting the corners" or DUMB (not a polite word) in the UK at least. As I said, we are foreigners living in the UK and it's not convenient for us to acquire further "legalized" documents from our home country than what we have already acquired for the UK RP.

[Rip]

Hi Rip, I just wanna make sure that "legalized" is defined the same in both the UK and Finland.

Wasn't there a link to what they mean: http://www.maistraatti.fi/en/Services/i ... l_ulkom_11

[cors187]

If you look at the situation, a specialist may be able to "start job", before the official RP is given.
i think what your husband writes and what the employer writes means everything.i dont even think you should worry much at all about yourself because your considered baggage, but i think the most important details are
Cash in your bank.
Cash husband gets paid.
What husband thinks he is doing there
What employer thinks husband is doing there
Place to live.
Will you want to work when you come.( I believe its not so clear cut with a spouse of RP worker).

[vkn2001]

Hi vkn, thanks a lot for the information. It's very helpful to me. I believe what we discussed here would also help many people with the similar situation and doubts.

Just wonder if you submitted any assisting documents for your wife's application besides the marriage certificate, such as bank statement or deposit certificate etc? How did you deal with the blanks in her application form which didn't match your situation, such as "How have you kept in contact while your spouse has been in Finland?", "Why have you not applied for a Finnish residence permit before?" etc. Did you leave those questions blank? Thanks!

Hi flowertee,

I just put those questions as -NA- and it is irrelevant for us as we are applying together from home country.
Apart from the application forms i have attached following documents.

1. 6 months Bank statement (i am not sure whether it is mandatory but employer advised me to keep this)
2. Offer letter from the employer
3. Cover letter by employer (if you are going to work on client projects)
4. Degree certificate (i am not sure whether it is mandatory but employer advised me to keep this)
5. Marriage certificate (Legalized)
6. Birth certificate of child (legalized)

Note: Again this is purely based on my experience

Thanks
vkn