Starting a business in food industry.

[vaxtang]

Thank you. Found few PDF, gonna read them.

[cors187]

Hey, sorry for late reply and thanks to all.
Another question, I don't have a Finnish or any Schengen citizenship, but I have working and resident permit ( for one year now).
Can I open a business and register a company here ?
and am I allowed to invite someone to work outside of Finland ?

The general rule is.
If your here with a resident permit that is "employee+employer relationship,.then you can only work in finland as an employee in that field. Applying for a sole trader or trading entity requires you to back up and head into the migri = immigrant+ self employed permit application.

One option is to look at starting the OY company "limited" and use the OY to employ yourself.

There is a lot to think about and the exact way you do it depends on many factors(personal).
When you start to understand you will realize that its easy to make a mistake because there are so many variant procedures, governing rules, general directions, so when you hear people say 'make sure you have a good book keeper, a good accountant, its true.

and am I allowed to invite someone to work outside of Finland ?

Your thinking about lower paid immigrant workers already and you have no business?
Finnish bureaucracy welcomes you with open arms and invites you to join the transparent business directory, a directory that was created to remove any greasy looking dark spots.Much like a glass counter in a food shop.

[vaxtang]

Your thinking about lower paid immigrant workers already and you have no business?

I'm thinking about special type of sausage production which you cannot find here in HL and for sure I need someone outside who can make it

[Adrian42]

Your thinking about lower paid immigrant workers already and you have no business?

I'm thinking about special type of sausage production which you cannot find here in HL and for sure I need someone outside who can make it

You are starting with the wrong questions.

Do you have a business plan that lists in detail demand, competition, costs and expected income of your planned business?
And do you have enough money in your bank account for all the costs you will have before you will be able to serve your first customer?

You will likely have to invest several ten thousands of Euro before you can serve your first customer, and your first worry should be that after you invested so much of your own money you don't want to go bankrupt quickly.

[vaxtang]

hey I'm not starting any business yet. I'm still collecting all the info I need. And there are few things that I need to check at the same time.
Maybe I will take some courses, before starting something.

[rinso]

I'm thinking about special type of sausage production which you cannot find here in HL and for sure I need someone outside who can make it

What is so special that a Finnish/European trained cook/sausage maker can't learn it?
And remember you cannot hide behind "secret ingredients". If you produce food, you have to give the authorities a lot of information about recipes and sources of ingredients.

[vaxtang]

What is so special that a Finnish/European trained cook/sausage maker can't learn it?

They can learn it, but in any case I have to invite a specialist to train them which will take time also. So if I need to invite anyway, then he/she can work directly.

And remember you cannot hide behind "secret ingredients". If you produce food, you have to give the authorities a lot of information about recipes and sources of ingredients.

No secret, everything is open of course and any information will be given to have all the licenses.

[Tiwaz]

They can learn it, but in any case I have to invite a specialist to train them which will take time also. So if I need to invite anyway, then he/she can work directly.

Outside EU free zone, no you can't bring them in. You have to prove that there is nobody in EU or Finland who could do that job.
Second, do you think sausage making is some kind of nuclear physics? Professionals could learn it by having the recipe set in front of them, and if some certain kind of handshakings or whatever are required, video would most likely suffice.


Honestly, professional cooks can do whole lot of stuff with surprisingly little information if they are given for example finished product.

[interleukin]

So if I need to invite anyway, then he/she can work directly.

There´s a pretty big difference between getting a visa for someone to come here for a short visit to give an intensive course on making a specific kind of sausages, and getting that person permission to live here and work. One is more difficult than the other, guess which?

[rinso]

They can learn it, but in any case I have to invite a specialist to train them which will take time also. So if I need to invite anyway, then he/she can work directly.

Outside EU free zone, no you can't bring them in. You have to prove that there is nobody in EU or Finland who could do that job.
Second, do you think sausage making is some kind of nuclear physics? Professionals could learn it by having the recipe set in front of them, and if some certain kind of handshakings or whatever are required, video would most likely suffice.


Honestly, professional cooks can do whole lot of stuff with surprisingly little information if they are given for example finished product.

Susi making takes a 3 year training in Japan. (and there are more examples of long training periods for relative simple things)
But I indeed doubt if a decent level of sausage making cannot be achieved within a few weeks (or days).
I don't think you can convince Migri to let you import an exotic chef because the work is to difficult for Europeans.

[onkko]

Susi making takes a 3 year training in Japan.

I assume you mean Sushi what is japanese dish instead of susi what is wolf in finnish

[rinso]

oops

[tony webb]

Anybody can have an idea for setting up business, which is good. What isn't good is if you have an idea and start up without researching the likelihood of your business being successful.

Firstly write out a brief business plan and then take it to an enterprise/business start up agency and discuss your plan with them. search here for an enterprise agency near you http://www.infopankki.fi/en-GB/tyo_Vantaa/

You will need to know your start up costs ( shop rent security and deposit payment, cooking equipment, dining furniture, food storage, pots and crockery cleaning machines etc, and at least the following:
Your cost of sales (for instance if you sell egg, bacon, chips beans work out how much each unit costs to buy, the cost to prepare and cook it etc)
Your rent, unfortunately food business can pay higher rents because in theory they are more profitable and the landlord wants a cut!
What is required to set up a trading account (i.e suppliers to give you credit terms)
Who are your potential customers and what market segment (takeaway, sit in diner like Mc or a high class outfit)
How much are they willing to spend on a meal
What are the legal requirements for running a restaurant etc
employees and employment costs
local competition
Your unique selling point (what can you offer that your competitors aren't. i.e a free uuzo drink, free wine, personal musician etc)
your break even point (when the income covers all your costs but you have no profit) and how many meals or items you would need to sell to reach that point at least a daily figure
Your marketing strategy, how are you going to build up your business and advertising costs
obviously you can't get all the information you need without doing market research (one example which was given earlier was to go and work for a similar outfit), stand outside restaurants and count the number of customers that go in and out.
Write a business plan. Any backer or load provider would want to see this as it is used as a measure of the risk that they are taking.
A good business plan will also help you to identify potential or real problems very quickly, which gives you time to change things. It's better then trading blindly and one day finding that your locks have been changed.

The list goes on. But what is above are the key points. You should go to an enterprise/business start up agency.
Once you have created a business plan they will put you in touch with business advisors, who are in your line of business. It is FREE.