Resident Permit .. And a problem With Finnish Embassy

[Oombongo]

I suggest to u, better to find a lawyer or another place to discuss your problem where you can get a real solution. This forum wouldnt help u.....at all as you read their comments ....., especially if u came from third country.

Surely, the suggestions in this forum won't help anyone who decides to embark on a journey based on third class romantic love. This may look cute in some romantic novel but real life is a different matter.

[cors187]

you need to make your story neat and presentable so the migri can give you the OK.

His suspicious story is already in the files. Pimping the story won't help as long as the facts remain the same.

Well i have a few ideas about how to make a new story but it might be that the original story is sitting in his file waiting for him to give FIN embassy more money.

[cors187]

I

think they and you are both confused, i cant be
Anyway if you want to come for 3 months you dont need a residence permit, you need a visa if you are from a visa required country.

You married your wife the first time you meet her?I would go further to say that it doesn't matter to me about your agenda , but i think you would have been better off getting the visa and then leaving finland after 3 months, thus proving your relationship is real and you follow the rules.This would be a bonus for your future res permit application.

well , first time yes she visited me we married and as i said she came with her little son and stayed about 3 weeks together , And After 1 month she came again to visit me and spend some few days with me .. we only have been married 2 months ago And we meet twice ..

The Reason of refused visit visa is : i don't have a proof that i could get back to my home country after my vising to Finland .. they need a proof !
and when i asked the embassy does you need any proof i back to my home country ? they said no just marriage paper and application form and visit visa they didnt tell me give us any proof

Apply for a guest visa only-Dont stay for 3 months , stay for 3 weeks and leave!. You see the idea of staying for 3 months means you have absolutely nothing to do in your country, so why go back!
So you need a return ticket.
You need to provide migri with a written letter proving you pay rent in your country and that you have paid rent in advance.
You need a letter from your school or employee saying that you have "agreed together" that you will be taking 3 weeks vacation to spend time with your family.
You need an invitation from your wife addressed to the Consulate, i mean its for the consulate .
It explains your wife is asking the consulate to grant you 3 weeks visa.It also mentions where you will be staying and you need her to provide the rent agreement of the place you are staying.How will you live there in terms of money? You need a bank account with money it , provide those details in your application.
You need to make a cover letter explaining that your wife and your relationship is genuine ,you intend to visit the family in Finland as traveling for the wife is harder than your travel.Also explain that you never wanted a residence permit as your only visiting Finland.

I think if you can provide all of those details your not really a fraud. I don't judge you for wanting to come to a supposed nice country and neither does migri.

[rinso]

only-Dont stay for 3 months , stay for 3 weeks

3 weeks or 3 months doesn't make any difference if his intend is to stay and apply for a RP.
And the embassy has no way or intention to check if the letters and other paperwork are not fake.
They don't investigate by phoning everyone. If there is a suspicion a simple NO makes their work much easier.

[fatforeigner]

Probably since the woman is a mother to four kids, she's probably one of those desperately need a man women.

I mean you have four kids, yet run off to another country and get married the first time you meet a person?

I feel sorry for the woman. Clearly she has some kind of issues going on.

And the dude is just using her to get here.

[Rara]

I'm always bewildered by Rara's way of thinking. While her intentions are good, she fails to see the obvious, which in this case is a sham marriage. I have to disagree with her that the forum doesn't help, actually it helps a lot but mainly people who have genuine reasons for coming to Finland.

[Liam1]

But if poster from UK ., Aussie..etc... , sure, this forum very helping them a lot.
Something like so racism going on at here. Try to read again and again...

Hi Rara
I'm not sure that I agree with you - I read also many of these and contribute where I can (not so often as I do not speak Finnish and certainly cannot navigate Finnish law / system, but can recommend good restaurants!). I have seen many examples where UK/US/Oz posts are equally criticised for their optimism - e.g. all the "I would love to live in Finland have an engineering degree and will pick up the langauage"

The regulars I think are quite blunt in registering realism, but perhaps advice seekers need to take this as it is free advice! I abhor racism, but as a result it is also to me to quite insulting to also call people racist as this is a very low life form. So remember when throwing accusations like this you are perhaps insulting people as well!

[Upphew]

i read often this forum especially for Moving to Finland subject. Its my fav subject.
Then i read many times, if the poster from the third country, sometime so rude words or very negative answer or punishment that they got immediately from this forum. But if poster from UK ., Aussie..etc... , sure, this forum very helping them a lot.

Care to point out case where UK, Aussie etc, has married in a hurry and got negative decision from authorities?

[Pursuivant]

Well Rara, last time I checked, UK is in the EU, so you can do a lot of things coming from there. US and AUS have 90-day visa-free travel agreements, AUS also has a Working Holiday visa agreement in place. If you are from a country that requires a visa, then steps in the Schengen rules, as its not Finland alone deciding on this issue, and some countries produce more naughty people so those countries are on a black list. Which may be unfair to those people who aren't being naughty, but life is never fair. So obviously the advice will be different, because people can do different things and perhaps even achieve their goal whatever that may be.

[Rip]

For this case, you all guys should ask to that lady /finn woman, why she want to get married with amr from the first meeting????? did she know if that guy will use her for RP ? or did she already loose her brain???

If she isn't posting here, how can we ask anything from her?

Dont ask amr why he married her from the first time their meeting. He must be a moslem. that the answer !!!

Moslems mary every woman they meet or are able to meet (or at least the first four ones)?

At least most part we have not been asking why he did it (some have voiced a not too unreasonable opinion about it), but telling that if he expects to get a residence permit easily he'll up to a disappointment. Really nasty to thing to say would actually be, "don't worry, you'll be guaranteed a permit quickly, after all you're married".

But they all just human who trying to get their dreams, maybe what they do totally wrong.

...and from one not unreasonable point of view fulfilling those dreams is not in general interest of citizens or permanent foreign residents of this country. There are actual reasons why we don't just print out 10 million Finnish passports or residence permits and drop them from air planes over foreign countries.

[Oho]

Hi Rara
I'm not sure that I agree with you - I read also many of these and contribute where I can (not so often as I do not speak Finnish and certainly cannot navigate Finnish law / system, but can recommend good restaurants!). I have seen many examples where UK/US/Oz posts are equally criticised for their optimism - e.g. all the "I would love to live in Finland have an engineering degree and will pick up the langauage"

The regulars I think are quite blunt in registering realism, but perhaps advice seekers need to take this as it is free advice! I abhor racism, but as a result it is also to me to quite insulting to also call people racist as this is a very low life form. So remember when throwing accusations like this you are perhaps insulting people as well!

Well I beg to differ, a bit at least. No doubt there are westerners who have fluffy notions on the value of their education and their ability to integrate into society where the majority spoken language is, well, nothing like they have ever heard before and people tend to be rather withdrawn. However most westerners do not seem to think themselves quite as entitled as bunch of the third world people who in some cases at least in no time manage to convey sentiment that moving to another, any country, is almost an inalienable human right, not a privilege which it actually is.

[cors187]

only-Dont stay for 3 months , stay for 3 weeks

3 weeks or 3 months doesn't make any difference if his intend is to stay and apply for a RP.
And the embassy has no way or intention to check if the letters and other paperwork are not fake.
They don't investigate by phoning everyone. If there is a suspicion a simple NO makes their work much easier.

maybe i cross threaded info from another thread.
Any, relationships cost money, real ones cost even more and your paying for a longer time.