Residence permits issued to non-EU citizens

[cors187]

Residence permits issued to non-EU citizens
for family reunification, employment and education.

http://epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/cache/ ... 043-EN.PDF

[itsme2013]

i read some discussions in internet said that many of finnish womens and mens they declared that they gonna do a manifestations infront the finnish service immigration protest for the hard laws that finnish service immigration did to their spouses because many of the applications are refused and some others take months to answear and they gonna filed a lawsuit to the humain rights

[cors187]

i read some discussions in internet said that many of finnish womens and mens they declared that they gonna do a manifestations infront the finnish service immigration protest for the hard laws that finnish service immigration did to their spouses because many of the applications are refused and some others take months to answear and they gonna filed a lawsuit to the humain rights

I think your on to something there.
I know for sure an Employment Res permit ask if your married and will your spouse/family be applying for the Res permit aswell.

I think that if they let the employed worker in then the only reason a spouse & kids cannot enter without delay is because .
1.The spouse or children are registered criminals.
2.The worker doesn't make enough money on paper to support that specific number of legal family.

Hi migri , i know the world is tough, but i have something to offer Finland and you guys let me in,so i signed the contracts, ticked all the boxes , declared all my family on the application and now i have no family,but more importantly my wife is under duress,and of-course some suffering in my immediate family is taking place. thanks!

[itsme2013]

i got already my resident permit and am happy for that but i waited a long time for it ..anyway am thinking about peoples who are waiting a long time for an answear from the finnish service immigration then they refused them for simple reasons..but i want to ask any person work in finnish service immigration one question" can you after one or two weeks of ur marriage go away of ur spouse and dont see her or him for months? i advice you finland to change this hard Deal with immigrants because we are all human and because every man want to live with his wife and every woman need to live with her husband also

[Pursuivant]

So you can live in your home country then. A residence permit to Finland is a privilege given to foreigners, not a "right".

[itsme2013]

ah i see that u dont know laws good..sure its right to get it the resident permit because my wife live there ..but i wanna know something?who u think u are to speak to peopels like that???????????

[Upphew]

can you after one or two weeks of ur marriage go away of ur spouse and dont see her or him for months?

Yes. Especially if the marriage is marriage of convenience.

i advice you finland to change this hard Deal with immigrants because we are all human and because every man want to live with his wife and every woman need to live with her husband also

I advice you to get a job before coming here, so you don't end up living with my money. Human or not, it is very rude to take my money without my consent. Every man _want_ to live vs. every woman _need_ to live... if you want and need so much, why not do something else than filling coupons and hope for dole? And if every man needs and woman wants to live together why the divorces? http://www.stat.fi/til/ssaaty/2010/ssaa ... 01_en.html

[Liam1]

I have tried to avoid these debates, but it gets frustrating....
I am a visitor here as well.

However it really makes me angry to hear this attitude. Finland should not be expected to throw massive amounts of resources in checking and speedily accepting applications for visitors to stay here. Those visitors that are in real physical danger are I think brought in quickly. However economic migrants should weigh up the pros (of which there seem to be many) of relocating here with the cons (which may include separation for a while).

If everybody in life were 100% honest, one could maybe see all of this as an administrative process, but the sad fact is that there are a number of applicants who are not always honest (marriage of convenience to gain residence, deliberate overstaying temp visas etc) so it can take a bit of time to invesigate etc.

But back to the point - which I didn't think Pursuivant was being rude on - there is a choice involved with fairly good knowledge of the system (if not it is a reflection on the applicant as a move to a foreign land, is not a light decision and needs to be researched). Therefore visitors should decide if this system is worth entering in rather than trying to change it.

If my colleague invites me around for a coffee, I wouldn't bring my family (they are noisy and messy!), stay until midnight, then complain if the colleague tries to get me to leave or doesn't have enough sweets for my kids!!

[Pursuivant]

ah i see that u dont know laws good..sure its right to get it the resident permit because my wife live there

Where does it say its a "right"? The law says you can be given a residence permit, not that you have to be given a residence permit. Your wife can come live with you as well.

..but i wanna know something?who u think u are to speak to peopels like that???????????

And who are you to be making any sort of demands, eh?

[Adrian42]

but i want to ask any person work in finnish service immigration one question" can you after one or two weeks of ur marriage go away of ur spouse and dont see her or him for months?

If these "one or two weeks" are the only time the couple has ever been together the marriage is likely a fraud. And I definitely do not want the Finnish Government to waste the taxes I pay in Finland on such fraudsters.

If that is a serious relationship that has already existed for a few years, then these few months should not be a huge problem (likely it wouldn't be the first time the spouses would be away from each other for a few months).

[cors187]

I think there can be two arguments here
1. Admittance to schengen by res permit that mentioned/noted and ticked box " yes these are my wife and or children",legitimate!
2. Admittance to schengen by res permit that does not mention legitimate family.

No2 people can pull a ticket out of the machine at the front desk.
No1 people should not have to pull out the ticket(at the front desk), they already have a partial active ticket.
Considering the basis of the(family) application is from a prior accepted ticket that is not discarded as it still shows evidence that the legal family mentioned on the ticket is coming.

Its not that the family has to wait for protocol , but any unnecessary waiting is pathetic.

Granted, i am not talking about an application that shows minimal evidence, those applications can get the shuffle.

[cors187]

However it really makes me angry to hear this attitude. Finland should not be expected to throw massive amounts of resources in checking and speedily accepting applications for visitors to stay here. Those visitors that are in real physical danger are I think brought in quickly. However economic migrants should weigh up the pros (of which there seem to be many) of relocating here with the cons (which may include separation for a while).

I think your mistaken about the economic migrants, all of us contribute the the social system.Some knowing that we are not going to retire here so every cent goes into the beer canned army.
Even further is the point that your economic immigrants passed the Finnish Employment test and are active in the sub structures of business.I will go on further and say i would guess these migrant workers are efficient enough to be classed in the top % of the work fields.


So yes Finland does do a fast enough job in terms of employment permit (the only guys that complain have a start asap contract). And yes i expect Finland to go out of its way to get my facts checked ASAP, so i can do what i came here to do.
And finally in terms of spousal visa averages , its kind of sad.

[Liam1]

I think your mistaken about the economic migrants, all of us contribute the the social system.Some knowing that we are not going to retire here so every cent goes into the beer canned army.

When I speak of economic migrants I include all that have decided to move to Finland to improve their prospects not just the ones with a job. Given that the Finnish economy does not balance its budget with most Finn households having 2 adults, I do not believe you are correct anyway as an immigrant wanting his family here will ipso facto only have one income. Granted education costs are perhaps zero (tho Finns provide a lot of e.g. language courses), but you will receive a pension irrespective of where you retire and the Finns have a rather generous social system.

I don't even agree with your arguement about Finns providing a red carpet admin service for those of us that are coming with jobs. I may be a net tax contributor (I'm lucky that both my wife and I have good jobs), but that still doesn't give me the right to jump queues for me or my family. If I have lots of money and expect to spend a lot at a restaurant, I wouldn't expect them to hire extra staff to get my meal ready quicker!!

[itsme2013]

when someone hear u peoples speaking like that he gonna think that finland is the paradise .am sure most of you are so ugly and they can say those words only behind theirs computers .am in helsinki now anyway and if anyone wanna say soemthing to me he can send to me a private message to tell me abut his or her number and i will come where he live and if he is a man he can say those words infront me ..bands of stupids and retarded peoples

[cors187]

I think your mistaken about the economic migrants, all of us contribute the the social system.Some knowing that we are not going to retire here so every cent goes into the beer canned army.

When I speak of economic migrants I include all that have decided to move to Finland to improve their prospects not just the ones with a job. Given that the Finnish economy does not balance its budget with most Finn households having 2 adults, I do not believe you are correct anyway as an immigrant wanting his family here will ipso facto only have one income. Granted education costs are perhaps zero (tho Finns provide a lot of e.g. language courses), but you will receive a pension irrespective of where you retire and the Finns have a rather generous social system.

I don't even agree with your argument about Finns providing a red carpet admin service for those of us that are coming with jobs. I may be a net tax contributor (I'm lucky that both my wife and I have good jobs), but that still doesn't give me the right to jump queues for me or my family. If I have lots of money and expect to spend a lot at a restaurant, I wouldn't expect them to hire extra staff to get my meal ready quicker!!

your a hack of a debater, i will just paste my old replies.

I do not believe you are correct anyway as an immigrant wanting his family here will ipso facto only have one income.

prior post~2.The worker doesn't make enough money on paper to support that specific number of legal family.

I don't even agree with your argument about Finns providing a red carpet admin service for those of us that are coming with jobs.

prior post~So yes Finland does do a fast enough job in terms of employment permit (the only guys that complain have a start asap contract). And yes i expect Finland to go out of its way to get my facts checked ASAP, so i can do what i came here to do.


Do you know why a specialist permit can enter the country and work without actually having received full clarification of his res permit?

Its because legislators are paid by tax money and business provides tax money.
Its because business is not good business when bureaucracy forms an extended point of disillusion.

The companies that use the Employment legislation require ASAP or without delay requirements.Company and individuals livelihood are at stake and even the migri knows that bureaucratic procedure needs to be stream lined in these cases.Thats why a person can get into the country sooner than others.

Your argument is useless as even migri understand the importance of one person over another.

You mention red carpet?, who cares about red carpet? no one! Priorities and protocol? who cares about priorities and protocol? Me, migri and the legislators who have chosen that employment stuff is important.

The real problem that most will agree on is that the times and bureaucracy according to legitimate families.
So whats your problem , if your telling me you agree with the slowed average for family members to be together then i think you don't even understand the argument.

Your analogies are bogus and are to open ended.
i will offer you an analogy.

Man goes to ticket machine, gets ticket(application),
The number is called, man goes to counter(Migri)
Man says to counter.Is it realistic that i should bring my whole family up to the counter.
Counter says its not necessary , you can submit your families applications all together.
Man says to counter, You understand that my application is of a certain type that requires much forethought and diligence, and therefore just like its efficient to not bring my whole family to the counter , its also more efficient for all (in sundry) that i not bring with me the family as i travel and have to secure and establish The kind of requirements necessary for a family.

Counter says , we have the greatest dignity for family life and understanding of your situation,and knowing this, you will notice on the application a place that gives us information about your legitimate family and the foreknowledge of if they will be applying for Res permits as-well.

So yeah, knowing that migri processed myself in under 90 days, and knowing that if i submitted my whole family all together that they would process us together.
Its un realistic in this and many other situations to even have the think that bureaucracy increases the division of families.
This is the real discussion,as migri clearly defines one immigrants application different to another and offers less time on those definitions, yet somehow this spousal/family is averaged and many people complain about it.
The point being that there is 2 different situations.
Wake up to yourself.

read my posts correctly.