Peoples rights when dealing with Finnish Police

trinkitrins · Post by **trinkitrins** » Fri Feb 08, 2013 11:35 pm

Hi

Can some one send me a link in english about peoples rights when dealing with Finnish Police or Finnish Custom Officials or how to complain if a public official is particularly rude.

I know its broad topic but more precisely i want to know the Finnish laws concerning

1. Police asks for an ID
2. Frisk Search
3. Are customs officials allowed to ask for an ID
4. Are there any courses about citizen rights in Finland

Thanks

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Upphew · Post by **Upphew** » Fri Feb 08, 2013 11:56 pm

trinkitrins wrote:Hi

Can some one send me a link in english about peoples rights when dealing with Finnish Police or Finnish Custom Officials or how to complain if a public official is particularly rude.

I know its broad topic but more precisely i want to know the Finnish laws concerning

1. Police asks for an ID
2. Frisk Search
3. Are customs officials allowed to ask for an ID
4. Are there any courses about citizen rights in Finland

Thanks

1. "The police have the right to take down anyone's personal details if this is necessary to fulfil their duties. Anyone who refuses to cooperate in this or provides false information can be apprehended for up to 24 hours." http://www.police.fi/
2. is done to people who are uncooperative as uncooperative might escalate to hostile and if you have someone acting hostile, it is much nicer if s/he doesn't have weapons.
3. http://www.finlex.fi/en/laki/kaannokset/1994/en19941466 14 §
4. https://www.poliisi.fi/poliisi/home.nsf ... endocument
http://www.oikeusasiamies.fi/Resource.p ... /index.htx

edit. added source to 1.

trinkitrins · Post by **trinkitrins** » Fri Feb 08, 2013 11:57 pm

FloydFin wrote:http://www.finlex.fi/fi/laki/kaannokset ... 950493.pdf

Thank you so much FloydFin

Are there any citizens right groups in Finland or similar volunteer opportunities.

Pursuivant · Post by **Pursuivant** » Sat Feb 09, 2013 2:40 pm

Are there any courses about citizen rights in Finland

Are you a citizen?

trinkitrins · Post by **trinkitrins** » Sun Feb 10, 2013 2:06 am

Pursuivant wrote:
Are there any courses about citizen rights in Finland
Are you a citizen?

No, I am resident in Finland. Dont understand the point you are trying to make.

Flossy1978 · Post by **Flossy1978** » Sun Feb 10, 2013 4:48 pm

What happened to you?

Finnish police can often be quite abrupt when they find out you are a foreigner, especially if you don't speak Finnish. Or maybe they are this way with everyone, I don't know. Doesn't look like it on the Poliisit show LOL.

Mook · Post by **Mook** » Sun Feb 10, 2013 5:00 pm

trinkitrins wrote:
Pursuivant wrote:
Are there any courses about citizen rights in Finland
Are you a citizen?
No, I am resident in Finland. Dont understand the point you are trying to make.

Different rights.

Anyhow, police don't have to be nice to you. However, its probably best that you're nice to them...

Upphew · Post by **Upphew** » Sun Feb 10, 2013 5:19 pm

Mook wrote:Anyhow, police don't have to be nice to you. However, its probably best that you're nice to them...

And if you are not, then you better know what you are doing.

Jukka Aho · Post by **Jukka Aho** » Sun Feb 10, 2013 5:35 pm

Upphew wrote:
Mook wrote:Anyhow, police don't have to be nice to you. However, its probably best that you're nice to them...
And if you are not, then you better know what you are doing.

That’s why the OP is asking, innit? Let the warehouses burn! Smash ASEM! Reclaim the streets! etc. (Ho-hum.)

Pursuivant · Post by **Pursuivant** » Mon Feb 11, 2013 9:53 am

trinkitrins wrote:
Pursuivant wrote:
Are there any courses about citizen rights in Finland
Are you a citizen?
No, I am resident in Finland. Dont understand the point you are trying to make.

So why are you then asking about citizen's rights? Not much use explaining you the presidential election system is there? However here is all the things a citizen must know - including the duties: http://www02.oph.fi/etalukio/yhteiskuntaoppi/

Rick1 · Post by **Rick1** » Mon Feb 11, 2013 11:38 am

If everybody would focus a little bit more on what are their duties, it would be a nicer place to live. In some countries you can be very difficult to police before they take you with them. Here in Finland they have a place ready in the back so I would not try to be difficult.

wolf80 · Post by **wolf80** » Mon Feb 11, 2013 3:14 pm

Rick1 wrote:If everybody would focus a little bit more on what are their duties, it would be a nicer place to live. In some countries you can be very difficult to police before they take you with them. Here in Finland they have a place ready in the back so I would not try to be difficult.

But especially then it would be good to know your rights.

I see that alot in this country, that whenever you ask Finns about what your rights are, that you get answers in the way of "Don't do anything wrong, then it doesn't matter!". But actually it matters alot. Even if I am a model-citizen I could be wrongfully accused of a crime, just by being at the wrong place at the wrong time. And then I need to know my rights! And if foreigners are prepared for such a situation, it also makes it easier for the police to interact with them.

Just because you want to know about your rights does not mean you plan on breaking the law!!!

Mook · Post by **Mook** » Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:13 pm

and I guess you'll be able to assert those rights in fluent Finnish? (or will you do it through an interpreter at the police station).

and given the attitude of the majority of Finns, do you think troublemakers will get it easy?

Pursuivant · Post by **Pursuivant** » Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:36 pm

Well, there is the constitution that generally describes the rights of citizens as well as residents. The rest of the legislation is then more or less descriptions on how those rights can and will be taken away and who has bigger rights. Like the constitution says a person has a right to be physically unharmed, while then there is a law that describes when the customs officers can make you bend over...

So its not so much *your* rights that you need to be worried about, rather than what rights the police/customs etc. have.

So for example the police stopping you on the street and asking who you are and what you are doing there, be there any "reason" you think there is or not - the police have the "right" to do so. If you start "opening up" about your "rights", then you end up "in the cage", because the police have a bigger "right" than you... its the same when you "want" and the bureaucrat "wants" - you need to know whose "want" is bigger before you start hitting your head in the brick wall.

Of course, the police are quite ready to step over to the grey area, so it is good to know what their rights are - however while you *can* refuse to give your name, and you "do not have" to carry an ID, the police *can* detain you for 24 for hours, so theres again the question do you "want" to do all things you "can" or "do not have to"...

raskarhu · Post by **raskarhu** » Tue Feb 12, 2013 11:51 am

"because the police have a bigger "right" than you... "

That is called a police state.

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