Will I feel good in Finland?

[Adrian42]

Yes they came because of oppression, finns or finnic people arent russians. Russians tried, and still try, to kill everything finnish.
Remember forced movement of people etc, too bad you couldnt get finland...

One of my grandfathers was convicted by " troika" , consisting of:
1. Nurminen Arvo ( obviously Finn)
2. Socelovatis Ingvar ( Latvian??)
3. Marmelstein Iosif ( Jewish)

Should I harbor hatred towards Finns, Latvians and Jews as peoples? Or should I question political idea that held them together?

Your listing of Jews as people is a highly antisemitic approach that is rarely used since it was used for the holocaust.

Either you list all people by their religion (was that Nurminen Arvo a Christ?), or by their nationality (that Marmelstein Iosif surely had a nationality).

[foca]

Yes they came because of oppression, finns or finnic people arent russians. Russians tried, and still try, to kill everything finnish.
Remember forced movement of people etc, too bad you couldnt get finland...

One of my grandfathers was convicted by " troika" , consisting of:
1. Nurminen Arvo ( obviously Finn)
2. Socelovatis Ingvar ( Latvian??)
3. Marmelstein Iosif ( Jewish)

Should I harbor hatred towards Finns, Latvians and Jews as peoples? Or should I question political idea that held them together?

Your listing of Jews as people is a highly antisemitic approach that is rarely used since it was used for the holocaust.

Either you list all people by their religion (was that Nurminen Arvo a Christ?), or by their nationality (that Marmelstein Iosif surely had a nationality).

Very proper remark (Jewish was auto fitted for Jew, it seems -is my computer antisemitic ? ) And obviously a communist signing a list of people sent to die could not believe in any God. So they had one religion - marxist communism ( in theory ). And they had no nationality at all...... when it comes to listing-I listed them the same way as they were listed in the document. It seems the Finn was the leader of the group.

[Adrian42]

Or speaking about more recent history, the founders of Russia were Swedes .........

When did that happen? Did I miss something in the Russian history? To start with even if Rurik was a Scandinavian (which theory is not shared by all scientists), there was hardly any "swedes"at that time in the current sense of Swedish identity...

Whether Rurik is a historic person or just fiction is disputed, but the majority of both historical and genetic evidence supports that the Rus people were from what is today Sweden (and also genetically Swedes).

[Adrian42]

One of my grandfathers was convicted by " troika" , consisting of:
1. Nurminen Arvo ( obviously Finn)
2. Socelovatis Ingvar ( Latvian??)
3. Marmelstein Iosif ( Jewish)

Should I harbor hatred towards Finns, Latvians and Jews as peoples? Or should I question political idea that held them together?

Your listing of Jews as people is a highly antisemitic approach that is rarely used since it was used for the holocaust.

Either you list all people by their religion (was that Nurminen Arvo a Christ?), or by their nationality (that Marmelstein Iosif surely had a nationality).

Very proper remark (Jewish was auto fitted for Jew, it seems -is my computer antisemitic ? ) And obviously a communist signing a list of people sent to die could not believe in any God. So they had one religion - marxist communism ( in theory ). And they had no nationality at all...... when it comes to listing-I listed them the same way as they were listed in the document. It seems the Finn was the leader of the group.

You claim they had no religion, while at the same time listing one of them as Jewish - which is a religion and nothing else.

You claim they had no nationality at all, while at the same time listing one of them as Finn and speculating yourself another one might have been Latvian - which are nationalities and nothing else.

[troligor]

Russians tried, and still try, to kill everything finnish.
Remember forced movement of people etc, too bad you couldnt get finland...

Well, it's good that "I" didn't get Finland so now it does not suffer the endless post-communist bs. However, who is trying to kill Finnish culture now? Somalian refugees living off Finnish people's taxes? No, I think it's Russian tourists going to Finland mostly just to buy groceries.

As i said and you failed to understand, you failed to get finland like you got other countries and you also failed to see what i answered, finns arent russians and never been russians. I do welcome russian tourists, its money for us.
I do see russians in daily basis because border is near and due to what i do i see russians who moved here in weekly basis. Tavarits, that what what i call them.
I can assure to you no russian who lives here thinks that finns are russians, i cant talk about all of those who come over border but i have never heard that any of them thought that finns are russians.

Finns as an ethnic group came from Ural mountains region which is Russia. Finns are not scandinavian, nor they are slavic. So they are not Russkijs obviously but Russia had always plently of nationalities.

Furthermore, I did not say that I think that Finns are Russian. I just feel comfortable when I am around Finnish people since we have a lot in common.

[Oho]

Finns as an ethnic group came from Ural mountains region which is Russia.

No not really, language can be traced back to Ural and the bend of Volga but not the roots of the current inhabitants.

But culturally, yes. Not that I know diddly squat but many have noted the common melancholic undercurrent in both Russian and Finnish cultures or way of life, and of course the political system in Finland is in reality almost a throwback to Soviet era and should consequently seem very familiar to any Russian in his or her thirties or older.

[troligor]

Except that with Finnish politics people live and with Soviet politics people weere surviving.

[cors187]

For me, I feel totally comfortable in Finland as a Russian. Finns as an ethnic group come from Russia so it's like Americans being racist to immigrants in the USA.

, finns or finnic people arent russians.
Russians tried, and [still try], to kill everything finnish.
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Onkko this statement is an actual legitimate call to cease racial discrimination against a minority people in Europe?

[Pursuivant]

Yes they came because of oppression, finns or finnic people arent russians. Russians tried, and still try, to kill everything finnish.
Remember forced movement of people etc, too bad you couldnt get finland...

One of my grandfathers was convicted by " troika" , consisting of:
1. Nurminen Arvo ( obviously Finn)
2. Socelovatis Ingvar ( Latvian??)
3. Marmelstein Iosif ( Jewish)

Should I harbor hatred towards Finns, Latvians and Jews as peoples? Or should I question political idea that held them together?

Your listing of Jews as people is a highly antisemitic approach that is rarely used since it was used for the holocaust.

Either you list all people by their religion (was that Nurminen Arvo a Christ?), or by their nationality (that Marmelstein Iosif surely had a nationality).

Marmelstein Iosif surely had a nationality - "Yevrey". "Jewish" was a "nationality/ethnicity" designation in the USSR. Like all "nationalities/ethnicities" the "Jewish" had their own "oblast" even.

Whether or not you like the facts, the designation is factually correct in the context it was given in.

Anything else your history teacher forgot you need to be told before you make another retarded comment?

[cors187]

My wife is an Actual historian Lecturer/teacher at University level, master's degree in the "dating game" as i like to refer to it at the "dinner table"
This convo reminds of home cooked meals.

Can any answer my quotes?
Edit#fixed quote

Can you find a generic Rus in Russia today.I mean if records were available is it possible to determine the rus married with each others 2nd and 3rd Cousins(Legitimate).

Can you find a generic Fin in Finland today.I mean if records were available is its possible to determine the fin married with each others 2nd and 3rd Cousins(Legitimate).

[Pursuivant]

Or rather, Nurminen, Socelovatis and Malmstein's "nationality" was "Soviet", their "ethnicity" "Finnish", "Latvian" and "Jewish" respectively... unless they had managed to get their passports stamped "Russian" ...

Each adult citizen's ethnicity (Russian: национальность) was necessarily recorded in his passport after the introduction of the passport system in the Soviet Union in 1932 and was determined by his choice between his parents' ethnicities

[cors187]

I guess Finnish staunch is bigger than i thought, i mean i know its real , ive been here 4 times over nearly 4 years, but well done for getting into a south park satire!

staunch
Adjective
Loyal and committed in attitude: "a staunch supporter of the antinuclear lobby"; ".
(of a wall) Of strong or firm construction.

http://www.southparkstudios.fi/clips/22 ... of-finland

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http://www.fin2rus.ru/article/post-78/

[cors187]

You claim they had no religion, while at the same time listing one of them as Jewish - which is a religion and nothing else.

While i do see your reference , i think the religion is judaism

[cors187]

One of my grandfathers was convicted by " troika" , consisting of:
1. Nurminen Arvo ( obviously Finn)
2. Socelovatis Ingvar ( Latvian??)
3. Marmelstein Iosif ( Jewish)

I am guessing by "troika" , you are referring that he was convicted or spy/espionage, "running secret info".?

[Tiwaz]

Finns as an ethnic group came from Ural mountains region which is Russia. Finns are not scandinavian, nor they are slavic. So they are not Russkijs obviously but Russia had always plently of nationalities.

Finns outdate Russia by several millenias. From what has been gathered from haplogrous etc, Finns came to are of Finland when ice left his god forsaken land at the end of last ice age.
Thus, Finns are not from Russia, as Russia did not exist. Nationalities did not exist.

From where Finns as ethnic group came, nobody is quite sure. It is kind of hard to be sure. Some have made claims that actual movement was in opposite direction, towards east instead of west.