Voluntary international relocation with a finnish child

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and the assessment given shows that the legislation in this case was partial

That in significant extent is the very purpose of legislation. To be partial, to define who is 'right' and who is "wrong".

[Pursuivant]

As far as i am aware the act of having an case or thought or a gripe against a system is considered a free country, the act of registering your gripe ,thought or case to the verified "pool" in a legal way is also considered a free country.

All of you are saying that your thoughts cannot be valid in your own country and that you have no way of submitting your thoughts to the "pool " of legal documents that can be used to create a better country?.

You can register a gripe of course. As to its effects, in general, they won't give a damn. If there is a problem with... say the guy who complained of car taxation... if you have the time and money to have your Mercedes -Benz rust in a customs impound for 12 years, go ahead.

[cors187]

You fins rattle off like it cannot happen in Finland ever.

Where is this western educated lawyer coming from to tell us we to be Finns and Finns, living in Europe to adopt European laws ? Our law and ways of doing things are from old tradition!

The west of what?, maybe im a 3rd generation from-> fin( my grampy) and i just happened to be born in a better country.Bring on the insults your long lost 4th cousin has been found

[cors187]

What is difficult to understand?
"If you have joint custody you cannot take the child out of the country without your ex consent."
No amount of paperwork you produce will change that result.

I think the argument has gone past that blanket statement.

Does anybody else except you think so?

ahhh yeah the unknown or so minority woman lied too and left on welfare in a state that's absolutely useless to them.
I personally have some enjoyment that maybe the mums give their kids the desired intel , you know 15+ years of festering intel, its great to have that option , i wish i had that option as a child!

[cors187]

As far as i am aware the act of having an case or thought or a gripe against a system is considered a free country, the act of registering your gripe ,thought or case to the verified "pool" in a legal way is also considered a free country.

All of you are saying that your thoughts cannot be valid in your own country and that you have no way of submitting your thoughts to the "pool " of legal documents that can be used to create a better country?.

You can register a gripe of course. As to its effects, in general, they won't give a damn. If there is a problem with... say the guy who complained of car taxation... if you have the time and money to have your Mercedes -Benz rust in a customs impound for 12 years, go ahead.

Well your country is the product of something so something is to blame , not speaking up, allowing a less than perfect law system, its your fault i guess.

[Pursuivant]

Yeah, we try to effect the Parliament, who changes the laws.... problem is theres all those other people who effect it too... its called democracy.

[cors187]

The question is an easy one , you didn't answer it because you cant answer it without giving me my reward .Your a fin, so its not easy for you!

I will answer it for you.A court is not fallible , if evidence is presented and the assessment given shows that the legislation in this case was partial , then that exact piece of case history is recorded as such, and can be used later.
You fins rattle off like it cannot happen in Finland ever.

par·tial
Adjective
Existing only in part; incomplete.

Can be used later, don't mean will be used later. Not to mention that precedents aren't binding. Just like courts aren't infallible.

This isnt posted at you , its a generalization based on a generalization.
Fins often generalize when its suits them, but the part of court history or legal history is just exactly what it is.An attempt to not be administratively screwed over so badly that the thought of oppression might enter the mind.

According to sweden and russians# they only helped Finland, but under the rule of both those nations , part/all of the Finnish history doesn't exist, you and your progenitors dont have claim on all the history or movement or suffering(its not verified).I and the majority of surrounding nations refuse to accept your claims in this court because the law of the day had legislative bodies that could not be broken by intelligence, but can only be moved by self awareness and a genuine effort to create a better life.

And your testimonies suggest that you uphold and live in a system where the legislative bodies that cant be broken by intelligence, but can only be moved by self awareness and a genuine effort to create a better life. Even further and i might take this out of context , but it appears as though your stating that " the legislative bodies cannot even be moved by compassion or gentle persuasion,even to the effect of trying to obtain a documented account of personal history that if needed is verified and admissible". To finalize this added context, its fair to say that" its a waste of your time trying to do anything, or in other words, "suffer in content".

My account suggests otherwise, but im not the one acknowledging the hypocritical conundrum.

[Tiwaz]

I can only reply to you on your first premise , the remaining premises are misguided and defective,so there is no point arguing those.
I am providing legal literature that proves if your first reply is faulty, then your argument is also faulty.

And you again prove you are total imbecile. All my points are valid. You have zero grasp on actual legislation.

Here is Tiwaz
No you fool. Court has no reason to make any non-standard decision.
Here law is as it is stated in the book. Judges to nod "override" laws over here. Specially since here it is not judge, but judgES who determine the outcome (except on lowest level, where there is judge and couple lay people)

The first evidence i will provide proves clearly that case-law comments within legal publications and successive changes made to the consulted documents
are the main reasons why judges act.
When a new case comes to court, the ability for that "competent court" to build case law and to submit that individual case law to the legal publications is why changes come about.

Finnish legal system is NOT common law system, vast majority of the WORLD is not common law area.
Previous cases are documented and made clear because there has to be valid paper stating WHY court came to whatever decision they made.

NONE of those papers in ANY way bind courts in future cases, only what is written in the Big Book Of Laws bind decisions of future courts.

So you little dimwit, your whole idea falls apart because you have no even fundamental grasp of what Finnish legal system actually is.

Idiot.

[Tiwaz]

Every document that is verified as "admissible for use" for those "legal teams" that build or help build the consulting documents are more valuable in a way that you cant truly conceive.
Without the pool of "admissible documents" and without the "legal teams" using verified documents from the pool, you golden country is just like another retarded 3rd worlder with legislation building that is partial to the whole(including annex).

Every admissible document is important for freedom!It builds the frame work of why certain legislative attributes should be used.It doesnt matter where admissible documents come from,Law courts, internal memorandums, case studies , whatever.Its important that admissible documents are treated as they should be.

I dont even need any of you to submit and say that "admissible documents are important in legislation", i know they are.
And to win my argument here that started with me saying that the immigrant mother should go to court, is the best possible advise you can give someone asking for advise.
Because as soon as that immigrant mother has created the admissible documents, then she has won.She has effectively created something that someone somewhere can use in the future to make immigrant mothers to be coming into the country so much easier to understand.

You think you know sisu, you think you have sisu , but i know without the ability to verify sisu , then its just a old grand mothers tale to make the grand children feel happy they live in a swamp.If you neglect the importance of admissible documents to the Legislative consultant document then your sisu is a pipe dream, and ive marked the Australian aboriginals guts greater than yours.

So as soon as you agree that admissible documents to the Legislative consultant documents are important, then you also agree that the immigrant mother should find a way to get her case into that document category..Now thats sisu .

You dimwitted idiot haven't got a grasp of anything do you.
What you are trying to describe is common law system : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_law
THERE you find Case Law or precedent.

Finland uses CIVIL LAW system you imbecile: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_law_ ... _system%29

As you can see, IT HAS NO INTEREST IN CASE LAW OR PRECEDENT!
"It holds case law to be secondary and subordinate to statutory law, and the court system is usually inquisitorial, unbound by precedent, and composed of specially-trained, functionary judicial officers with limited authority to interpret law."

[Tiwaz]

OMG boys. Sometimes silence speaks louder. Please refrain from slinging immature insults at one another. As usual, you've killed the interest of others to discuss the topic for the sake of actually helping someone out.

I am helping everyone out by pointing out the total level of stupidity in idea cors puts forth.
If cors can keep up the illusion that case law is somehow relevant in Finland, or that making funny "paper trails" has any relevance, some poor fool who has equally poor grasp of Finnish law and general society might try it.

It would end up that poor fool ending up losing everything and crying him/herself to sleep because the whole "grand plan" presented by cors crashed the moment it was attempted.

[cors187]

Tiwaz
Again youve just wasted my time with mis understanding.
The whole premise of the case is to prove reckless abandonment against the father and i am using in adequate legislation to prove my case, and that is legal.
Im sorry but your mistaken, it doesnt matter what the code is, its a civil case
This is why i keep refering to you as having a misconception.
The associated dicussions are just side notes to what effects may happen.
The case is legal!
You can tell me to waste my time and money , you can tell me that the evidence is not good enough but please dont tell me that i cannot use legislation as evidence in a civil case.

Thats my case.
The court records are legal and admissible(she wins even if she loses the case against her ex), thus the person has done everything possible to show a problem that has been catching women for an unknown amount of years.

Dont try and tell me you thought about this for a long time and you were guaranteeing victory already, haha

Lets go to court!

[cors187]

OMG boys. Sometimes silence speaks louder. Please refrain from slinging immature insults at one another. As usual, you've killed the interest of others to discuss the topic for the sake of actually helping someone out.

I am helping everyone out by pointing out the total level of stupidity in idea cors puts forth.
If cors can keep up the illusion that case law is somehow relevant in Finland, or that making funny "paper trails" has any relevance, some poor fool who has equally poor grasp of Finnish law and general society might try it.

It would end up that poor fool ending up losing everything and crying him/herself to sleep because the whole "grand plan" presented by cors crashed the moment it was attempted.

I need to charge you money just to tell you to get out of my office.

[cors187]

If i take out the bulk of the discussion and include those into "standard forum discussion.

Theres only 2 amounts of information that are left.

by Pursuivant » Wed Mar 13, 2013 10:22 am

Apparently, you are a retard,

Touche' , it was coming i know.

and

by Tiwaz »
Cry me a river. If you buy everything others tell you and do not check yourself, it is your own problem.
Welcome to real world, you @#$% up, you hurt.

Your not here to help , your here to protect your ideals.

[Upphew]

The whole premise of the case is to prove reckless abandonment against the father and i am using in adequate legislation to prove my case, and that is legal.
Im sorry but your mistaken, it doesnt matter what the code is, its a civil case
This is why i keep refering to you as having a misconception.

Noup, it is criminal case, up to two years in jail. Criminal code, Chapter 21 14§.

[cors187]

or that making funny "paper trails" has any relevance, some poor fool who has equally poor grasp of Finnish law and general society might try it.

In any form of legal maneuvering its extremely important to have verified document. We all know this because Guess what , Finland wanted everything verified,infact paper trailing seems to be what Finland Needs for everything we do here.But we knew that already.If you dont paper trail it means you never did anything outside your house.Your Studies require paper trails, Job without paper trail?
Proof is paramount.Using systems that verify documents is normal business.