Dates & Numbers question

cssc · Post by **cssc** » Sun Mar 24, 2013 1:45 am

Hi,
How would I say "Libra starts on the 23rd of September" ? I would like to practice variations of this sentence to learn signs, months & ordinal numbers.
I know if it was "the 23rd of September" it would be in the partitive, but I wasn't sure if there was supposed to be a -na or -lla ending here.
Also, if I want to say "Yesterday was Monday the 9th" , that stays in the nominative, doesn't it? (9th, I mean)
Thanks.

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jahasjahas · Post by **jahasjahas** » Sun Mar 24, 2013 9:24 am

cssc wrote:Hi,
How would I say "Libra starts on the 23rd of September" ? I would like to practice variations of this sentence to learn signs, months & ordinal numbers.
I know if it was "the 23rd of September" it would be in the partitive, but I wasn't sure if there was supposed to be a -na or -lla ending here.
Also, if I want to say "Yesterday was Monday the 9th" , that stays in the nominative, doesn't it? (9th, I mean)
Thanks.

"Vaaka alkaa 23. (kahdeskymmeneskolmas) syyskuuta." (Though I'm not sure whether "alkaa" is the most natural way to describe the signs. You usually see something like "Vaaka. Syntymäpäivä: 23.9.-23.10".)
"Eilen oli maanantai, yhdeksäs päivä."

I guess you can use the essive case and say "Vaaka alkaa kahdentenakymmenentenäkolmantena syyskuuta", but why make it more complicated?

cssc · Post by **cssc** » Tue Mar 26, 2013 4:08 am

Thank you. That's easier than I expected.

Pursuivant · Post by **Pursuivant** » Tue Mar 26, 2013 11:57 am

Vaaka, kakskolmas yhdeksättä.

cssc · Post by **cssc** » Tue Mar 26, 2013 7:50 pm

Is that the spoken Finnish, then?

cssc · Post by **cssc** » Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:10 pm

Hey, If i said it doesn't start on that date, would the case change?

jahasjahas · Post by **jahasjahas** » Thu Mar 28, 2013 8:16 am

No, it shouldn't make a difference.

"X ei ala kahdeskymmeneskolmas syyskuuta."

Jukka Aho · Post by **Jukka Aho** » Thu Mar 28, 2013 8:37 am

jahasjahas wrote:No, it shouldn't make a difference.

"X ei ala kahdeskymmeneskolmas syyskuuta."

While not totally implausible, I don’t believe there’s such actual usage. Usually it’s just the name of the sign and a terse date range marked with numbers, such as here and here.

jahasjahas · Post by **jahasjahas** » Thu Mar 28, 2013 10:09 am

Jukka Aho wrote:While not totally implausible, I don’t believe there’s such actual usage. Usually it’s just the name of the sign and a terse date range marked with numbers, such as here and here.

I actually pointed this out in my first message.

I was simply commenting on the construction in general, thus "X".

Jukka Aho · Post by **Jukka Aho** » Thu Mar 28, 2013 10:22 am

For what it’s worth, the Finnish Wikipedia article on the topic appears to use the expression aurinko saapuu Oinaan merkkiin (which could be followed by a date expression, such as kahdentenakymmenentenä päivänä maaliskuuta, or just kahdeskymmenes maaliskuuta or 20. maaliskuuta, as it is usually written.) Then again, this other article uses expressions such as Oinaan merkki alkaa kevättasauspisteestä. (And here it’s saapuu Oinaan merkkiin again.)

jahasjahas · Post by **jahasjahas** » Thu Mar 28, 2013 10:43 am

Jukka Aho wrote:aurinko saapuu Oinaan merkkiin

Though it should be noted that the contemporary zodiac system has very little to do with the sun's actual movement.

cssc · Post by **cssc** » Thu Mar 28, 2013 7:51 pm

I just want to write it out so I get the words stuck in my head.....

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