EU citizen + 1year contract = 100%Residence Permit?

moske[FIN] · Post by **moske[FIN]** » Fri Mar 29, 2013 11:26 am

Hello, i will get an 1 year contract as a farm worker(ordinary, not specialist or something like that), from what a read on this forum last 2 years, i know that the 1year contract was the key to get a residence permit(the other 2 not being an option for me). I also know that there are these precise steps to follow after you have the contract in your hand: maistrati, police, bank, kella...etc. So, EU citizen, 1 year contract, starting from the beginning of may... My question is: should i expect some dificulties in getting the RP in the conditions writen above? Any other advice for what should i do from the moment i have the contract in my hands(if someone is nice to remind me those precise steps that i must follow... If nothing changed in the last 2 years then its ok)... Thanks in advance for your answers, my topic might be a bit silly or annoying, but this is the great moment that i was expecting in the last 2 years and i dont want to screw things up with one of my stupid mistakes or moron/idiotic ideas that from time to time i'm so capable! Kiitos!

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Upphew · Post by **Upphew** » Fri Mar 29, 2013 12:01 pm

moske[FIN] wrote:Hello, i will get an 1 year contract as a farm worker(ordinary, not specialist or something like that), from what a read on this forum last 2 years, i know that the 1year contract was the key to get a residence permit(the other 2 not being an option for me). I also know that there are these precise steps to follow after you have the contract in your hand: maistrati, police, bank, kella...etc. So, EU citizen, 1 year contract, starting from the beginning of may... My question is: should i expect some dificulties in getting the RP in the conditions writen above? Any other advice for what should i do from the moment i have the contract in my hands(if someone is nice to remind me those precise steps that i must follow... If nothing changed in the last 2 years then its ok)... Thanks in advance for your answers, my topic might be a bit silly or annoying, but this is the great moment that i was expecting in the last 2 years and i dont want to screw things up with one of my stupid mistakes or moron/idiotic ideas that from time to time i'm so capable! Kiitos!

Eu citizens don't need residence permit: http://www.police.fi/poliisi/home.nsf/p ... endocument
http://www.maistraatti.fi/en/Services/p ... otikunta_3

You left out of your list the tax card, which would mean 60% tax rate, so you should get that asap too: https://www.vero.fi/en-US/Tax_Administr ... 2817335%29
You get one automatically and can call for new one or print it online, but in your case I'd think the best way is to visit them.

Kela and one year contract might pose a problem: http://www.kela.fi/in/internet/english. ... enDocument
Get EU health card before you leave to here: http://ec.europa.eu/social/main.jsp?catId=559

Adrian42 · Post by **Adrian42** » Fri Mar 29, 2013 12:02 pm

EU citizen = no Residence Permit needed

Pursuivant · Post by **Pursuivant** » Fri Mar 29, 2013 12:52 pm

You will have a problem as the contract has an "end date" because then is when everything ends... KELA wants to see 2 years in the country or an open end contract. As far as the maistraatti & poliisi are concerned, they're happy when you show them the contract. You might not get internet banking or a phone contract before 2 years in the country though... after 5 years you are as domiciled as can be.

daveba · Post by **daveba** » Fri Mar 29, 2013 12:55 pm

Like previously mentioned no RP needed for EU citizens.

Having done this recently, in order of which I had to do things:

Police - Maistraatti - Tax + Kela. In my case bank was the first, you just go and show them your contract and they open the account. I would stay away from Nordea as they are really heavy handed even with people with permanent contracts.

Rip · Post by **Rip** » Fri Mar 29, 2013 12:57 pm

I am not going to bother to check now, but I think with combination of work + EU citizen KELA is satisfied with something like four months contract.

Upphew · Post by **Upphew** » Fri Mar 29, 2013 1:37 pm

Rip wrote:I am not going to bother to check now, but I think with combination of work + EU citizen KELA is satisfied with something like four months contract.

Upphew wrote:Kela and one year contract might pose a problem: http://www.kela.fi/in/internet/english. ... enDocument

They should update the page if short contract and intention to get more of those is enough.

Pursuivant · Post by **Pursuivant** » Fri Mar 29, 2013 1:53 pm

Its not a "problem" to get the cover - you just get a KELA-card with an "end date" on it and have renew...

moske[FIN] · Post by **moske[FIN]** » Fri Mar 29, 2013 3:30 pm

Thank you so much for the replies, i fell so relieved that no extra burden is added to the normal things that i knew i had to do.

This golden text from the forum i saved it to my computer since is very hard to find it again in this hudge amount of topics:
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"The brief version:
EU person gets first a work contract from the job. Written.
(If boss says no, needs a number first - tell boss to call the maistraatti and ask themselves
what does the person need to get a number)

With the contract goes to the maistraatti and says: My job, no number, need registration.
Maistraatti gives a number on a paper saying "temporarily registered alien".
With two papers alien jumps in the ufo and flies to the tax office: verotoimisto ***
Says: my number, my salary, need tax card.
Gets tax card.
Goes to bank - says my number, my address, my job, gets bank account.
Gives tax card and personal number and bank account number to employer;
Works.
First salary comes to account, bank statement comes to home.
Takes work contract, magistrate paper, bank statement, rent contract... chorus: "all the papers":
Goes to Police station with 40€. Says: I want EU registration. Gets EU registration paper.
Goes to Maistraatti, with... chorus "all the papers" : says: I am now EU registered, I want to be
in the computer as permanantly domiciled. Gets a paper....
Goes to KELA, with... chorus *all the papers* ,says Want KELA card, gets a lot of grief...

Welcome to Finland. You have now all the papers

*** reportedly, it is these days you just need to go to the tax office to get this first round done;
but the papers take a few days to process...

Remember: right papers, right order, right offices. Otherwise they say "piss off"..."
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Another things:

1. Not needing a RP its not what i knew , but its positiv. So i practically go for "the right to reside". I knew that i need some aproval if i intend to stay here more than 3 months.
2. About Kela: its really important? I mean: i go there because its in the golden text from above, but i dont wanna get there unless i have to, in order to have all the right papers, to fell ok when i see a cop. If i need the Kela papers only for social benefits... then i'll pass it for the moment and do this when i really have time and feel like i need to taste some bureaucracy, although comparing to the romanian office workers wich are among the bigest scambags, the finnish bureaucrat will be a harmless kitten.
3. The verbal agreement is that my "boss" would like to have me employed for a long period of time(more than 2-3 years), i told him that this is what i want too, and i said i need at least 1 year contract in order to have all the papers that i need to be officially OK. Having on "open end" contract , wont be a problem in getting the right to reside from the finnish authorities? If not, then i can ask for an "open end" contract then...
4. Is that golden text ok? because i intend to follow it just like it is, and just adjust it with the replies(received until now and the next that i hope will come next) from this topic.

Thanks again for the replies, visit today again the farm, and i'll check again after 21:00- 22:00... and maybe i have more good news from those nice people.

Adrian42 · Post by **Adrian42** » Fri Mar 29, 2013 3:34 pm

Pursuivant wrote:You might not get internet banking

The first question is whether he actually needs a Finnish bank account.

rinso · Post by **rinso** » Fri Mar 29, 2013 3:38 pm

Adrian42 wrote:
Pursuivant wrote:You might not get internet banking
The first question is whether he actually needs a Finnish bank account.

Where do you still find a boss who is willing to pay a regular salary cash?
This isn't Cyprus. (at least not yet

)

Pursuivant · Post by **Pursuivant** » Fri Mar 29, 2013 3:42 pm

Yes, I think the "golden text" is still pretty much valid. Theres other things then too - like exchanging the drivers license etc. but thats the initial order of things.

It is better to have "open end" contract - if you have an end date, that is the day you die, you do not want end dates in anything... its a "Finnish thing"... for a job, for a rental contract.. otherwise the end day means tomorrow is goodbye. Usually there is 3 months probation in the work contracts, so after that time you get the police sign the EU-registration quite happy, as you can also show you have money coming into the bank etc. And with the "open end" the "intent to stay" is evident... even if you quit or got sacked, but theres a belief of rainbows and unicorns...

As for KELA its not for social benefits, its for visiting the hospital after the cow sits on you... its not a huge bureaucracy at all, one form to fill in. But once you have it, you are then covered by the Finnish system with no stupid questions. So don't let the cow sit on you before that - or at least have the blue EHIC card with you.

Pursuivant · Post by **Pursuivant** » Fri Mar 29, 2013 3:43 pm

Adrian42 wrote:
Pursuivant wrote:You might not get internet banking
The first question is whether he actually needs a Finnish bank account.

In Germany they pay the gastarbeiter in potatoes?

Adrian42 · Post by **Adrian42** » Fri Mar 29, 2013 4:07 pm

Pursuivant wrote:
Adrian42 wrote:
Pursuivant wrote:You might not get internet banking
The first question is whether he actually needs a Finnish bank account.
In Germany they pay the gastarbeiter in potatoes?

In Germany you usually don't have to pay for giving your money to a bank.

More to the point, he likely already has a bank account in another EU country. It is not 100% clear whether he will also need a bank account in Finland.

rinso · Post by **rinso** » Fri Mar 29, 2013 4:16 pm

Adrian42 wrote: More to the point, he likely already has a bank account in another EU country. It is not 100% clear whether he will also need a bank account in Finland.

Not all card paying machines in shops accept foreign debit/credit cards. (it depends on the kind of contract the shop owner has with the transfer agency)
Helsinki probably is no problem, but Nowheremäki,......

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