Itella Posti not renewing my contract

[Pursuivant]

It is very very unpleasant for me here, and other people that contacted me today.

I got a "warning" for calling you stupid. OK, you are not stupid, as that would offend stupid people having to count you in their midst.

[cors187]

0% Corporate Tax, etc.

That would be nice

[Adrian42]

All i can do is take a good education under my belt and leave finland to its egoistic and racist mindset employers.

Good education and Finland ? ha ha ha ha ha... Name a finnish university in top 100 of the world ? Nevermind 50 or 10....

Education in Finland is pretty good.

Not like in the US where some universities might be in the top 100 of the world, but the college education at an average university is crap.

In Finland even the Bachelor degree you make on the University of Nowheremäki is worth the time you spend studying.

[Deni85]

Good education and Finland ? ha ha ha ha ha...

Have you studied in Finland? I can say Finland has a really good education system. And you can see in this forum there are people from all over the world applying for an university. If Finnish education isn't good, why so many people want to study here?

[jahasjahas]

And you can see in this forum there are people from all over the world applying for an university. If Finnish education isn't good, why so many people want to study here?

Because it's free.

Most of the prospective students on this forum are applying for UASs, not universities, and their common characteristics are 1) bad English skills and 2) a "please help me with my entrance exam please" attitude.

(I should post here less so I don't turn into Pursuivant.)

[Deni85]

Most of the prospective students on this forum are applying for UASs, not universities

Even their focus is on R&D rather than producing new research, they are still called University of Applied Science

[Adrian42]

And you can see in this forum there are people from all over the world applying for an university. If Finnish education isn't good, why so many people want to study here?

Because it's free.

Just like in e.g. Germany.

Most of the prospective students on this forum are applying for UASs, not universities, and their common characteristics are 1) bad English skills and 2) a "please help me with my entrance exam please" attitude.

I doubt think the people posting here are representative for all students - intelligent people with proper English tend to find the information themselves.

[Oye]

OMG, this thread have made me laugh with tears in my eyes. The OP was a real good teaser, to get so many comments in such a short time Just have to give him credit for that. So many people being SOOOO funny, and good with words. I definitively disagree on many accounts, but that is fortunately allowed in this country.

Just for info, have to comment on the short term contract and no paid holidays such as summer or winter holidays (I think that is what the OP means?) as I didn't notice anyone else giving the correct info yet:
in a short term contract the holiday pay is typically included in your monthly pay check and that is completely legal. It it is not paid for monthly, it will (have to) be paid to you with your last pay check.

But in order to have a legal short term contract your contract have to state a legally acceptable reason for having a short term contract. often it is not be acceptable to have many short term contracts after each other, but there are cases where it is acceptable. In the later case, when it comes to accumulating holidays etc "benefits" of longer employments, all contracts should be looked at as one.

One more thing, we can have different opinions, and some of us are more resourceful than others, some more ignorant, but as a Finn in Finland I definitively think it is NEVER OK TO CALL SOMEBODY STUPID!!! Not online, not on the street, not in a work place nor in school, nowhere. Yes, many Finns do that to, and still it shows incredibly poor manners. If you call somebody stupid, is discredits you, and you definitively do not add anything of value to the discussion by doing that. As Bambis mother said: if you have nothing nice to say, you'd better not say anything.

[Adrian42]

Just for info, have to comment on the short term contract and no paid holidays such as summer or winter holidays (I think that is what the OP means?) as I didn't notice anyone else giving the correct info yet:
in a short term contract the holiday pay is typically included in your monthly pay check and that is completely legal. It it is not paid for monthly, it will (have to) be paid to you with your last pay check.

You miss the point here.

The OP was not complaining about not getting holiday pay (whether or not he got that is an unrelated question), he was complaining about not getting holidays.

On a 4 month contract you should be getting 8 days (based on a 6-day work-week) of paid holidays plus holiday pay for these 8 days.

Not sure whether a 4 month contract might stipulate that the holidays get paid out in money, that was one of the points where I suggested the OP could ask a lawyer to have a look at his contract.

[Pursuivant]

One more thing, we can have different opinions, and some of us are more resourceful than others, some more ignorant, but as a Finn in Finland I definitively think it is NEVER OK TO CALL SOMEBODY STUPID!!! Not online, not on the street, not in a work place nor in school, nowhere. Yes, many Finns do that to, and still it shows incredibly poor manners.

The problem is theres these stupid idiots online, on the street, in a work place, in school, everywhere. Yes, many Finns and foreigners. And if nobody tells them they are stupid, they will continue being stupid and one day something happens, maybe an accident or something worse they will get killed. Like its totally stupid to go happyslapping hairy bikers. And the poor kid dies, just because you didn't tell him it was stupid. Do you want to take that responsibility or are you a cruel darwinist? We already see what happens when stupidity is celebrated - just look at America!

If you call somebody stupid, is discredits you, and you definitively do not add anything of value to the discussion by doing that.

Stupid people discredit themselves, and there is no value in "discussing" rather than telling them. Though I always thought "stupid" was the politer term rather than calling someone an idiot - but newspaper headlines even do so, so apologies to any idiots I have misadvertently called stupid.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ed-it.html
Or is that bloke some beacon of intelligence in your eyes, adding value to the road traffic? What if his neighbour had yelled at him "STUPID"! and stopped him driving and thinking and clearing his windshield? So its "not OK"? Come on now, prove your wisdom...

[Oye]

You miss the point here

As did you. I just gave the general info, as I have found many foreigners do not know how this works here.

Not sure whether a 4 month contract might stipulate that the holidays get paid out in money, that was one of the points where I suggested the OP could ask a lawyer to have a look at his contract.

Not needed really. It may be stipulated in the contract, but may also not. If it is, everyone who can read, can see what it says, why pay a lawyer for that? The employee has in a short term contract right to get the money or the days off. if he hasn't gotten either one of them, first he should talk to the employer and agree on it, as there may just have been some sort of a confusion. If nothing happens, or the employee wants to have it some other way than the employer is offering, THEN talk to a lawyer and pay for it.

The problem is theres these stupid idiots online

You mean the kind of people without manners? They are the most stupid people in my opinion. Being more or less resourceful or ignorant has more to do with a background, opportunities and so on. There some kind advice may actually get them to change. Barking the advice out, however accurate, will not help, and you know that. You just get some sick satisfaction of playing the role of a meanie.

And if nobody tells them they are stupid, they will continue being stupid

So if I now tell you that you are being stupid at the moment, will you stop? I can even tell you that you are being an idiot, if that makes you happier - and to stop . Seriously, your reasoning is poor but amusing, as I am sure you intended.

[Upphew]

One more thing, we can have different opinions, and some of us are more resourceful than others, some more ignorant, but as a Finn in Finland I definitively think it is NEVER OK TO CALL SOMEBODY STUPID!!! Not online, not on the street, not in a work place nor in school, nowhere. Yes, many Finns do that to, and still it shows incredibly poor manners. If you call somebody stupid, is discredits you, and you definitively do not add anything of value to the discussion by doing that. As Bambis mother said: if you have nothing nice to say, you'd better not say anything.

And if nobody tells them they are stupid, they will continue being stupid

So if I now tell you that you are being stupid at the moment, will you stop? I can even tell you that you are being an idiot, if that makes you happier - and to stop . Seriously, your reasoning is poor but amusing, as I am sure you intended.

Q.E.D.

And welcome to the club, idiot.

[rinso]

I definitively think it is NEVER OK TO CALL SOMEBODY STUPID!!!
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As Bambis mother said: if you have nothing nice to say, you'd better not say anything.

Now avoiding the truth if it can hurt is the new "political correctness"?

Stupidity is often not the result of low IQ but of emotional or instinct behavior instead of logical thinking.
Warning against it makes sense.

Interesting reading:
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg2 ... nline-news
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg2 ... hings.html

[Pursuivant]

Being more or less resourceful or ignorant has more to do with a background, opportunities and so on.

Why then do they expect to be treated as resourceful and intelligent? Is it not that they do not realise they do not have the same background and thus opportunities? The problem is that people like you hide this fact from them and they start claiming its racism and whatnot, when it is usually a lack of skills.

Barking the advice out, however accurate, will not help, and you know that.

It will help, if the person receiving the information is intelligent enough to pay attention. Little children have short attention spans and don't get the information if its too complicated - same applies to very old people. As I am not an agist, I cater to the 5 to 95 age group.

You just get some sick satisfaction of playing the role of a meanie.

Yes, a big blue one. You get some sick satisfaction of "being nice" when thats just a disguise to the fact you know nothing. Ever aspired for a political career?

[Adrian42]

Not sure whether a 4 month contract might stipulate that the holidays get paid out in money, that was one of the points where I suggested the OP could ask a lawyer to have a look at his contract.

Not needed really. It may be stipulated in the contract, but may also not. If it is, everyone who can read, can see what it says, why pay a lawyer for that? The employee has in a short term contract right to get the money or the days off. if he hasn't gotten either one of them, first he should talk to the employer and agree on it, as there may just have been some sort of a confusion. If nothing happens, or the employee wants to have it some other way than the employer is offering, THEN talk to a lawyer and pay for it.

Understanding what things you have a right of receiving when working in a foreign country is nothing trivial (even for me as a German Finland has some WTF-are-they-smoking rules like the holiday qualification).

And the OP is clearly not a person who could draw the correct conclusions out of reading his contract and the relevant laws and collective agreement without help from an expert.