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African American Female studying in Finland

Post by ladiemarmalade » Sun Apr 21, 2013 7:15 am

Hey Everyone!!

I am so excited for the opportunity to study abroad for my fall quarter at the Aalto University. I have a plethora questions, but I will behave myself and only ask a few.

1. Where is the best place to live for about 8 week? I will study at the business school, how close is that to housing for international students?
2. What are some social norms that a foreigner must know and adhere to fit in as much as possible?
3. Because of its location, I know there aren't many people of African decent in finland. If there is anyone on this forum that can speak candidly to their experiences in Finalnd as a person of African decent that would help tremendously.
4. Recommendations for learning Finnish

Ok that is enough for now.

Thanks Everyone!

Ladiemarmalade :D



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Re: African American Female studying in Finland

Post by Flossy1978 » Sun Apr 21, 2013 8:58 am

1. I can't help with that.

2. Don't be a loud arrogant American, like so many of you can be when abroad in other countries. Finland IS NOT America, so don't expect the same things. Fins are a reserved bunch. So just be polite and accept you'll be stared at (no matter who you look like, Fins stare, it's just them). You won't be waited on hand and food in stores. Customer Service is not like Australia, America etc. And don't tip. It's not needed or done here. Since you'll be here as a student, you'll be around other young people and you will hopefully be very social with them, especially if it's a group of foreigners. Then it'll be fine. Fins like to drink..... So drink and be merry with the other young students. This country is very expensive and food, while you can buy in the store probably some things similar to America, we don't eat like Americans. Food can be rather bland, at least the basic Finnish stuff is. If you have the money and can afford it, you can buy spices etc to make food nicer. But I am guessing you'll be like any other student, very little money. So if your fellow students aren't well off, ask them for tips on how to eat nicely, go out etc on a budget. Really strict budget LOL.

3. There are 'black' people here. Lots of them in Helsinki. And they're mostly from Africa. You'll be fine. There are racist arseholes all over the world. Finland is no different. Your own country can be a lot more racist than Finland is, I think. So don't worry, you'll be fine. And Finland is a safe country. You needn't fear walking around town etc after dark. Sure there may be some crap areas, but nothing at all like bad areas in America. Be it you are black or white. So don't worry about it. At the university I am sure there'll be people of all different races. And I am sure no one is looking or judging you on your skin type. You're all there just to learn.

4. Learning the language? In 8 weeks? LOL. Forget it. There's no point. You couldn't even really get started in just 8 weeks. You do know Finnish is one of the world's most difficult languages? One of the easiest to speak because it's said as it's written, but grammatically speaking, one of the most difficult. Maybe you'll learn some basic questions and sentences, but you'll not get the grasp of the language, nor understand what some sales person blabbers at 100km/hr to you in the store LOL. If you really want to, you could ask your fellow students where to find classes to study it, if you really want to. Most people here speak English, rather fluently. Usually only the elderly and very young don't know a word of English. But like I said, English is very common here. It's even the official language of many businesses like Nokia, Itella etc. So you'll always be able to communicate. And might even be surprised at the level of English people do speak here. Many, especially students can speak it very fluently. Afterall it's not a very difficult language, especially if you are Finnish and speak Finnish...... Then most other languages are a walk in a park LOL.

I hope you'll have a nice 8 weeks here.

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Re: African American Female studying in Finland

Post by rinso » Sun Apr 21, 2013 9:34 am

ladiemarmalade wrote: 1. Where is the best place to live for about 8 week? I will study at the business school, how close is that to housing for international students?
The universities often have rooms for exchange students. If you can get one take it (you only get one offer) because it will be difficult to find something cheap on the private market.
2. What are some social norms that a foreigner must know and adhere to fit in as much as possible?
Be quiet.
3. Because of its location, I know there aren't many people of African decent in finland. If there is anyone on this forum that can speak candidly to their experiences in Finalnd as a person of African decent that would help tremendously.
There are no real problems with single outlandish people. Only when they appear in groups they become isolated and ignored.
Off course there can be incidents with drunks, but that has nothing to do with how you look like.
4. Recommendations for learning Finnish
Try to get some online education (viewtopic.php?f=11&t=405).
Just the basic phrases is enough to get contact with Finns and then switch to English. (they will appreciate you made the effort)

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Re: African American Female studying in Finland

Post by Rip » Sun Apr 21, 2013 11:06 am

ladiemarmalade wrote: 1. Where is the best place to live for about 8 week? I will study at the business school, how close is that to housing for international students?
I guess that means the old School of Economics premises in the city center. Nice if you are offered something close by, but I'd take anything what you're offered (public transportation to city center is probably quite decent anyway). Apart from the price, you'd probably find it very hard to arrange accommodation on your own for eight months (excluding hotels and their prices)

I'd think pretty much everybody you actually meet will classify you simply as an 'American'. One never can rule out chance of an unpleasant experience, but I wouldn't worry too much.

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Re: African American Female studying in Finland

Post by Sleepstream » Sun Apr 21, 2013 11:50 am

Wow, another American will be at HSE for a short time!

For housing, good luck. I think you could be offered anything from something a one or two km away to something that is 10 km away. Usually there is always some decent public transportation to get you to the city center. But follow the advice given: take what you can get. Queues for apartments are long.

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Re: African American Female studying in Finland

Post by Pursuivant » Sun Apr 21, 2013 1:07 pm

ladiemarmalade wrote: 1. Where is the best place to live for about 8 week? I will study at the business school, how close is that to housing for international students?
Whatever they arrange for you. Otherwise if you get picky, they show you the street. If you get lucky, you get something close by, but you may need to commute. Don't worry, the public transport is unlike the USA, you're a dumb hick if you're not on the public transport. :lol:
2. What are some social norms that a foreigner must know and adhere to fit in as much as possible?
Dunno, what Flossie said up there might be a good general advice to Americans. If you go on OMG about small flats and dinky toy cars nevermind how cheap everything is in the USA, people will tell you to piss off home then - you are talking to people having to live here, you remember. Its not "like at home", which is kind of the idea of a foreign country, so the standards are different - what "you think" is often irrelevant as thats "all wrong" when it comes to body language and manners. You also need to drop any chips off the shoulder as you might be feeling all of a sudden like Rosa Parks on the bus. This ties up with question 4:
3. Because of its location, I know there aren't many people of African decent in finland. If there is anyone on this forum that can speak candidly to their experiences in Finalnd as a person of African decent that would help tremendously.
Naah, you got it wrong and right. Theres not a history of black people except a few, but these days a lot of 2nd generation and recently immigrated Africans and they're the African-Africans. What you want to be is American. If you get mistaken as an African - especially by the African menfolk - you get treated worse than a gangsta ho... once they realise you're American they'll propose marriage and want a green card even their Finnish wife is there hand-in-hand ;) . You read about Somalians getting a bit in trouble with the black community in the USA even? Guess what the reception would be like in some vanilla white hood... Chances are as you're in the university circles you don't encounter much other than the good old anti-americanism as the universities are bastions of old communists. So Ok, "y'all fat and stupid and don't know wbout foreign countries lest you go bomb them"... On the street, depends where you are, drunks are drunks and may yell something unitelligible gibberish - usually sparked by some unfathomable reason - like hearing a foreign language spoken on the phone... so its going to be something along the lines of "go home you dirty wetback!" just like in the good US of A ;)

And yeah, you can blame gangsta rap for a lot of what Finnish kids think of African-Americans nevermind the language. My generation at least had Bill Cosby ;)
4. Recommendations for learning Finnish
Snarf. For 8 weeks? You prodigy or somethin? First step would be to the "learn the alphabet", as the pronunciation of the letters goes all different from the English, so you can figure out where you are going or ask from people as they won't understand you.

But in generally, I wouldn't worry too much. The HSE is quite used to foreign students and they in general organize stuff for exchange students, so it seems they don't have much time to actually study it seems ;) I mean seriously, 8 weeks... 8 months would be something you might get worried about homesickness or coping up with eating deep-fried chicken feet but in 8 weeks you don't even learn which buses take you home at night... :lol:
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Re: African American Female studying in Finland

Post by ladiemarmalade » Sun Apr 21, 2013 3:00 pm

First, I would like to say thank you all for the responses so far. Not only is the information helpful, I am getting a sense of the Finnish sense of humor, unless you all are foreigners yourselves.

I should have prefaced my post with, while I am an American and am fully aware of the "loud, stupid American" stereotype, I've studied/worked internationally a few times (all times for longer than 8 weeks) and I make a huge effort to blend in as possible. But I do appreciate the reminders. I must admit, I have never been to north eastern Europe and the idea of not smiling at strangers is a bit jarring. Additionally along with not smiling, it sounds like I may have to reduce my speaking and laughing volume by several decibels :D .

1. You all have talked about public intoxication. What's up with that? Does it happen a lot?
2. What is the local perception of the HSE? Is it highly regarded? How involved is the school in the local community or the country's international affairs?
3. I have been reading a lot about Finnish culture. Is it true that steam room/sauna is apart of everyday life?

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Re: African American Female studying in Finland

Post by ladiemarmalade » Sun Apr 21, 2013 5:23 pm

Also, I meant I wanted to study the language now so that by the time I get there, I am able to understand grammar and sentence structure.

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Re: African American Female studying in Finland

Post by ruusu25 » Sun Apr 21, 2013 6:54 pm

1. Public intoxication doesn't occur in Finland any more or less than in the US. The difference is that in the US, you can be arrested for public intoxication, whereas in Finland you cannot. Therefore, you will probably see more drunks, most of whom are totally harmless, if not a bit annoying.

2. No idea, sorry.

3. Going to sauna is very popular, both as an individual and social activity, and you'll hear people mentioning that they go there all the time. I definitely suggest trying it out while you're here, but it's not like it's a social obligation that you must commit to if you want people to talk to you or anything like that.

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Re: African American Female studying in Finland

Post by Pursuivant » Sun Apr 21, 2013 7:08 pm

ladiemarmalade wrote: I must admit, I have never been to north eastern Europe and the idea of not smiling at strangers is a bit jarring.
Well, lets put it this way. In the winter your teeth freeze, it f*n hurts. In the summer the mosquitoes fly in...

As far as cultural habits go, someone smiling on the street means they're on bath soap and wanting to eat your face. Or the they're just off the short bus. Or they're planning to nick your stuff. Or you got your fly open or a roll of toilet paper trailing you... :lol:
1. You all have talked about public intoxication. What's up with that? Does it happen a lot?
In the summer... ehh... you see for yourself. Depends where you from really. Someone grown up in an inner city and people shooting dope on the street won't bat an eye. Someone lived in a gated community will freak out - same as visiting NYC they would, actually.
2. What is the local perception of the HSE? Is it highly regarded?
Well, its there with Hanken as the "Yale & Harvard" pair when it comes to economics...
How involved is the school in the local community or the country's international affairs?
Well, none? Why should they, its not their place to be "involved" in either? They are publicly funded, the students may have some involvement in politics, but the university itself is an apolitical player. Oh yeah, and theres no "university sports" either.
3. I have been reading a lot about Finnish culture. Is it true that steam room/sauna is apart of everyday life?
Well I don't know where they got steam rooms except in some fancy spa's, but a sauna is a pretty normal place. What happens in blocks of flats theres communal times on the wall theres ladies turn and mens turn, or separate saunas in different buildings and then times you can book your own weekly "turn". Theres a couple public saunas in town as well, I'd suggest a visit. Its though the thing when they say naked it means naked and when you say communal it is communal, so you go in and you try to figure out where to sit, theres already a couple wrinkly old grandma's yelling at you to close the door... If you've spent a lot of money on hair straightening... well, you gonna be the 70's funk lady after a sauna :lol:
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Re: African American Female studying in Finland

Post by Pursuivant » Sun Apr 21, 2013 7:12 pm

ruusu25 wrote: The difference is that in the US, you can be arrested for public intoxication, whereas in Finland you cannot.
Well you can get detained for 24 hours for an "identity check" so you actually can be detained for d&d as well. Usually though the police has far better things to do than driving a stinky bum to the "tank" as its too much paperwork. But the public ordinances of counties were repealed by the common ordinance act, so these days you are allowed to have a "picknick in the park"... problem is when theres 10 winos on a vodka-nick...
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Re: African American Female studying in Finland

Post by ladiemarmalade » Sun Apr 21, 2013 7:54 pm

Lol @ "10 winos on a vodka-nic" hilarious!!

Where is everyone from? If you're a student, ex-pat, or immigrant etc. where are you from? Why did you choose Finland?

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Re: African American Female studying in Finland

Post by cors187 » Sun Apr 21, 2013 10:16 pm

ladiemarmalade wrote:
Why did you choose Finland?
just make sure you come back online and post the answer when you get home to the states.

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Post by Flossy1978 » Mon Apr 22, 2013 6:16 am

Also, I meant I wanted to study the language now so that by the time I get there, I am able to understand grammar and sentence structure

Sorry, laughing my arse off at this...... Not in a mean way!

You really have no idea about the Finnish language, do you? LOL. Go to www.HS.fi and check out some Finnish. Students study from 1st grade all the way up to when they graduate school at about the age of 18-19 grammar and sentence structure and they still don't complete all that there is in the Finnish language. This language is really that hard. And yes, it's even harder for just an English speaker because they have absolutely nothing in common, the two languages. I've always wondered what it's like to be teacher of the Finnish language.... Really how dull the people must be who study it to the point of being teachers of it. I mean you have to get a Masters degree in it to teach. Or maybe the people aren't dull, but god, to study Finnish to that point of being an expert.... They must love some boredom LOL.

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Post by jahasjahas » Mon Apr 22, 2013 11:19 am

Flossy1978 wrote:Students study from 1st grade all the way up to when they graduate school at about the age of 18-19 grammar and sentence structure and they still don't complete all that there is in the Finnish language. This language is really that hard.
Umm, what. :lol:

There is nothing intrinsically hard in Finnish for native Finnish speakers. Sure, we spend some time on learning the grammar, but that's to understand how the language works, not how to speak it. One could argue that there's less to teach in school than in English-speaking countries, since the spelling is pretty much straightforward once you've learned to write in the first place.

And at least back in my days, the last bits of grammar were done in yläaste. There was one course on writing style and punctuation in lukio, but otherwise it was stuff like analysing poems.

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As for the OP's original question: a quick crash course in the language won't do you any harm. Don't expect to be able to carry a conversation, but knowing how to pronounce names will help you if you need to ask for directions, etc.


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