Canadian Moving to Finland

[Adrian42]

• if you are able to negotiate with your current employer to change your relationship from employee, to a consultancy, and you establish a registered limited partnership in Finland, with you as the general partner, you can apply for the residence permit as a self employed person.
  
  the other alternative, if your current employer is on bord with the consultancy structure, is to establish a company limited by shares, which you own and are employed by. The minimum share capital fur such company is € 2 500. This structure would mean that you apply for a residence permit as an employee.

Hi Adam, this is exactly what I was asking about. Thanks for spelling these options out so clearly.

My company has several employees in Mexico, South America, Hong Kong, and none of them is on the payroll, because we don't want to get involved in local labor laws. So, my company will definitely cooperate. Essentially, what I need is to establish a Finnish taxable entity - a partnership or a corporation... That will do.

Your application will be processed with a high level of scrutiny, and the outcome will not necessarily be positive.

Things you should definitely keep in mind:

Will the contract with your company guarantee enough income that after all Finnish taxes and social security contributions are paid, you will have an income of at least € 26,400 per year?

For how long will the contract with your company guarantee that you will get money from them?

[jrslv]

Will the contract with your company guarantee enough income that after all Finnish taxes and social security contributions are paid, you will have an income of at least € 26,400 per year?

For how long will the contract with your company guarantee that you will get money from them?

Actually, that's an interesting question... all salaries in Canada are stated before the taxes, because each taxpayer's situation is different. But since we're on the topic.. what would be the after-tax income, for a family of 3, for the gross income of € 90,000 per year?

[Adrian42]

Will the contract with your company guarantee enough income that after all Finnish taxes and social security contributions are paid, you will have an income of at least € 26,400 per year?

For how long will the contract with your company guarantee that you will get money from them?

Actually, that's an interesting question... all salaries in Canada are stated before the taxes, because each taxpayer's situation is different.

Salaries in Finland are also stated before taxes and the employee's share of social security are deducted.

But when applying for residence permits for family members the income after taxes and social security is what is relevant.

But since we're on the topic.. what would be the after-tax income, for a family of 3, for the gross income of € 90,000 per year?

With a gross income of € 90,000 per year (the cost for the employer is around € 115,000 including the employer's share of social security) what the employee gets after taxes and his share of social security is around € 55,000-60,000 (depending on religion and municipality).

[cors187]

My work involves a lot of communication with Russian clients and very frequent travel to Russia. So, I am thinking of relocating to somewhere closer to Russia.

EDIT# so i read a little further and found out your an employee of an existing foreign company.




If your coming into finland as a separate entity to your existing foreign company.
Your contracts with the existing foreign company need to show some weight.
You personally(sole entity) will be under scrutiny as how your sub contractor company is going use Finland legally.
A history for your sub contractor company may be valuable (if you have one?, but your an employee?)

[cors187]

the other alternative, if your current employer is on bord with the consultancy structure, is to establish a company limited by shares, which you own and are employed by. The minimum share capital fur such company is € 2 500. This structure would mean that you apply for a residence permit as an employee.

The main hurdle being, he needs one ordinary board member and one deputy board member being domicile EU or no start up.
linky viewtopic.php?f=37&t=71589

No Oy company = no correctly filled out application for res permit.

[Oho]

I think the obvious question would be why not move to Russia.

The guy is Canadian not a moron.....

Not that Finland is such a wonderful country but still.

On the serious note, I don't think Finland has a class of residence permit which allows just that, thus I really don't think having mere business interests in Russia are basis for a permit at all. I would think to pull it of at the minimum he needs to have his employment legally in Finland and that might require a subsidiary but what do I know.

[CH]

How about contacting Migri directly, and asking them? No use making decisions on speculations.

One thing to think about would be that are you going to move her for a longer time, or a short time... in other words, does your daughter need to learn the local language or not. Kids are sponges when it comes to languages, although she is a bit on the upper end of that period. But still... Finnish is definitely not the easiest of languages to pick (you could put her in a Swedish speaking school, that would be much easier to learn, but she would still need to learn Finnish).

Also, yes, Finland is close to Russia, but far from everywhere else. If you need to travel elswhere in Europe, too, then for instance Denmark might be a better choice as the Copenhagen Airport is the biggest airport in the Nordic countries.

[cors187]

You may aswell move to eesti. I think your gonna like it.

[jrslv]

You may aswell move to eesti. I think your gonna like it.

Well, I've been to Tallinn a couple of times - the old city is amazing, but it's kinda in the corner of the continent - even more so than Finland. I don't know if you're following the news, but Estonia and Russia have a very strained relationship. I might be personally ashamed of Russia's policies and actions, but it won't help me not to be associated with them. I don't think I would feel welcome in Estonia at all.

Speaking of which... I understand your desire to steer me away from Finland towards somewhere else, but let me tell you something: populations migrations are a fact of life. There have always been there. There are more than 0.7M Finns in North America and they all are welcome there; a couple even work in my company. I've met once, on a plane, a Finn that's been living in Russia since 90-ties and I am sure there are many more.

[adam7]

He can apply, but I doubt the application will be successful.

He can apply, but I doubt the application will be successful.

belief and doubt are two sides of a coin. knowledge is something else. why don't you explain, based on facts, why you state your doubts.

What he needs is not the semi-correct information from some random people on the internet, if he really wants to come to Finland he has to contact a Finnish lawyer who can give him informed advice on his options.

"semi-correct"?

Yes, he does need to contact a Finnish lawyer, who will give the same advice as I do.

and are you qualified to give advice on Finnish law?

As far I've seen you seem to pretend to do that, unfortunately...

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@Adrian42

lets not turn this into a p*ss*ng contest.. this is about the question asked...

[adam7]

Speaking of which... I understand your desire to steer me away from Finland towards somewhere else, ...

Forget the negative sentiment. Some people seem to be negative, for whatever reason.

[cors187]

You may aswell move to eesti. I think your gonna like it.

Well, I've been to Tallinn a couple of times - the old city is amazing, but it's kinda in the corner of the continent - even more so than Finland. I don't know if you're following the news, but Estonia and Russia have a very strained relationship. I might be personally ashamed of Russia's policies and actions, but it won't help me not to be associated with them. I don't think I would feel welcome in Estonia at all.

Speaking of which... I understand your desire to steer me away from Finland towards somewhere else, but let me tell you something: populations migrations are a fact of life. There have always been there. There are more than 0.7M Finns in North America and they all are welcome there; a couple even work in my company. I've met once, on a plane, a Finn that's been living in Russia since 90-ties and I am sure there are many more.

i have lived in Russia for years,and i hang out with Estonians.
If your income is not directly generated from the area you live in then life in that area is completely different to living and working in that area.

I never meet a fin outside of Finland, but if you ask me if i could point them out, i would say yes, they are the ones having the extended business meeting talking about rubbish, and the low production worker who goes missing after lunch.

Mate , if you can get into FIN , all good , if your application doesn't have all the boxes ticked then its baby steps into the desired living area.(moving to a close country.

Thats what most of us are doing.
welcome

[cors187]

Speaking of which... I understand your desire to steer me away from Finland towards somewhere else, ...

Forget the negative sentiment. Some people seem to be negative, for whatever reason.

There's nothing negative about plan B.

Plan B rocks

The OP's plan A has some holes , hes trying to ask a forum full of country jumpers how to get the edge.
Of-course the forum is a double edged sword.

My posts are not negative, research proves it.
http://yle.fi/uutiset/estonia_attracts_ ... es/6201041

Estonian company has branch in finland,that's good business!

[Adrian42]

and are you qualified to give advice on Finnish law?

As far I've seen you seem to pretend to do that, unfortunately...

I am not qualified to give qualified advice on Finnish law, and I never claimed I would be.

Please apologize for your unfounded and insulting accusation.

[Oho]

I never meet a fin outside of Finland, but if you ask me if i could point them out, i would say yes, they are the ones having the extended business meeting talking about rubbish, and the low production worker who goes missing after lunch.

Right, not that you are wrong but the question that begs to be answered is in which way do those characteristics set Finns apart from the rest of the people? Gibberish business meetings and blue collar labor skipping work hardly set Finns apart.