Setting up business for working permit

[Mr.Nightmare]

Hey guys,

I asked this question in another topic but there has been no response. Therefore, I have to start new topic.

If I set up my business and it just works in summer, but I fulfill at least 1000eu for 1 month; it means in the summer I earn 12000 euros. Am I allowed to get the working permit? Do I need a full time job or some kinds of contract to be granted?

Thank you.

[tuulen]

If I set up my business and it just works in summer, but I fulfill at least 1000eu for 1 month; it means in the summer I earn 12000 euros.

Your math is fuzzy. Summer is only a few months long, and so how can you earn 12.000€ @ 1.000€ per month?

[faronel]

Maybe he meant that the projected annual income would then be around €12000. Although, if it is only €3000 for three months and then there is no plan for the rest of the year (september-may) then this plan may be short-lived.

[Tiwaz]

And question is... What the hell is he going to do that will net him that 12k a year.

Where is he going to make that 12k? Is it what he predicts he will have in hand or will he have some payments to make from it before he can consider it "his"?
And finally even if 1k per month is what he will have in hand from his business... It is not exactly huge amount of cash to live on. 1k per month minus rent (forget buying), food and all the other running costs.

[Rosamunda]

Or...

...how can he even set up a business if he does not have EEA residency? Not possible (even if he is Finnish).

[Mr.Nightmare]

If I set up my business and it just works in summer, but I fulfill at least 1000eu for 1 month; it means in the summer I earn 12000 euros.

Your math is fuzzy. Summer is only a few months long, and so how can you earn 12.000€ @ 1.000€ per month?

It's not fuzzy, man. I mean I earn 12000 in 4 months of summer. And devide it for 12 months in year means that I earn 1000 for 1 month.

[Mr.Nightmare]

Maybe he meant that the projected annual income would then be around €12000. Although, if it is only €3000 for three months and then there is no plan for the rest of the year (september-may) then this plan may be short-lived.

Actually I work from beginning of May to the end of August, so it is about 4 months. Its not actually a big business, I just sell food in summer. In the rest of the year I operate another thing.

[Mr.Nightmare]

And question is... What the hell is he going to do that will net him that 12k a year.

Where is he going to make that 12k? Is it what he predicts he will have in hand or will he have some payments to make from it before he can consider it "his"?
And finally even if 1k per month is what he will have in hand from his business... It is not exactly huge amount of cash to live on. 1k per month minus rent (forget buying), food and all the other running costs.

12000 Eu is my profit or you can think it as my income. Actually I can live with 400-600 per month. I used yo live with 150eu for 1 month.
12000eu is just my goal to achieve.
I sell foods.

[Mr.Nightmare]

Or...

...how can he even set up a business if he does not have EEA residency? Not possible (even if he is Finnish).

Is food stand also counted for business? I don't need to be a EEA resident to open a food stand but I just wonder whether I can stay in Finland with this.

[rinso]

Or...

...how can he even set up a business if he does not have EEA residency? Not possible (even if he is Finnish).

Is food stand also counted for business? I don't need to be a EEA resident to open a food stand but I just wonder whether I can stay in Finland with this.

To get a RP for a "self employed person" you need a solid business plan to convince migri. That means marketing research, letters of intend from suppliers and potential customers and so on.
A food stand sounds hardly convincing. There are already plenty of food stands so a new one will struggle to get a market share. And the city planning committee might object to an extra competitor.
And there is catch 22. You need a license first and a hygiene pass. But to get them you need to be registered (a RP) first.

All in all a hopeless idea I think.

[Rosamunda]

Or...

...how can he even set up a business if he does not have EEA residency? Not possible (even if he is Finnish).

Is food stand also counted for business? I don't need to be a EEA resident to open a food stand but I just wonder whether I can stay in Finland with this.

Of course a food stand is "business". As soon as you hit 8500e income you are required to register for VAT (which would be payable on the whole of your revenue from trade, not just the part over 8500e). You have to have a business ID number in order to register for VAT. You also have to pay YEL (entrepreneurs statutory pension fund).

But as mentioned above, you cannot operate a food business (or any other business) in Finland unless you are resident inside the EEA (European Economic Area) and that applies to Finns too. You also need a trading permit from the local municipality in order to sell food. And the food hygiene pass (as stated above).

I'm not guessing. I ran an ice cream business from a kiosk May-September for 4 years.

[Mr.Nightmare]

Or...

...how can he even set up a business if he does not have EEA residency? Not possible (even if he is Finnish).

Is food stand also counted for business? I don't need to be a EEA resident to open a food stand but I just wonder whether I can stay in Finland with this.

To get a RP for a "self employed person" you need a solid business plan to convince migri. That means marketing research, letters of intend from suppliers and potential customers and so on.
A food stand sounds hardly convincing. There are already plenty of food stands so a new one will struggle to get a market share. And the city planning committee might object to an extra competitor.
And there is catch 22. You need a license first and a hygiene pass. But to get them you need to be registered (a RP) first.

All in all a hopeless idea I think.

'''To get a RP for a "self employed person" you need a solid business plan to convince migri. That means marketing research, letters of intend from suppliers and potential customers and so on.
A food stand sounds hardly convincing. There are already plenty of food stands so a new one will struggle to get a market share. And the city planning committee might object to an extra competitor.''

--> that information is what I am looking for now. Thank you, but is it your own experience or just your opinion. BTW, I will manage to open a second or the third food stand next year, do you think it is inconvincible?
Actually,I got the Hygiene passport, License and I have operated it for more than 1 week. Therefore, I don't think it is a big deal for me to open another one. Imaging that I have 2 or 3 food stands but I am still not allowed to be granted the working permit; it would be the funniest story. Because someone got rich with food stand as I know for sure.

[Mr.Nightmare]

Or...

...how can he even set up a business if he does not have EEA residency? Not possible (even if he is Finnish).

Is food stand also counted for business? I don't need to be a EEA resident to open a food stand but I just wonder whether I can stay in Finland with this.

Of course a food stand is "business". As soon as you hit 8500e income you are required to register for VAT (which would be payable on the whole of your revenue from trade, not just the part over 8500e). You have to have a business ID number in order to register for VAT. You also have to pay YEL (entrepreneurs statutory pension fund).

But as mentioned above, you cannot operate a food business (or any other business) in Finland unless you are resident inside the EEA (European Economic Area) and that applies to Finns too. You also need a trading permit from the local municipality in order to sell food. And the food hygiene pass (as stated above).

I'm not guessing. I ran an ice cream business from a kiosk May-September for 4 years.

I'm not an EEA resident but I have been operating my food stand for more than 1 week until now in Kokkola. I got the license to sell food, hygiene passport and everything needed to operate it. I also got the business ID number, that means I have to pay tax if I earn more than the minimum income level. I think everything is legal and official now and I am still a student.
Actually I want to run 2 or 3 food stand at the same time next year maybe, my income would be higher and I think there are no reasons for denying my working permit application.

[Adrian42]

I'm not an EEA resident

resident != citizen

[rinso]

I'm not an EEA resident but I have been operating my food stand for more than 1 week until now in Kokkola. I got the license to sell food, hygiene passport and everything needed to operate it. I also got the business ID number, that means I have to pay tax if I earn more than the minimum income level. I think everything is legal and official now and I am still a student.
Actually I want to run 2 or 3 food stand at the same time next year maybe, my income would be higher and I think there are no reasons for denying my working permit application.

So you didn't tell us the whole story.
If you're already here on a students permit and allowed to operate a food stand, you can prove how good (or bad) your business is running and get your RP application approved based on your actual sale figures.