Marrying to a finn

[Julkka]

I'll put it in a nutshell. Either you guys get married (in Finland, to save money and paper work) and you apply for a RP as a spouse (from Russia, your homeland! this is important in case of the 1st RP, Migri is very strict about that)

Yeah, but no... to quote poliisi.fi:
"Family member of a Finnish citizen


A residence permit for a family member of a Finnish citizen is issued in Finland or may be applied for abroad. In Finland, the decision on issuing a residence permit for a family member of a Finnish citizen is made by the police department in the applicant's place of residence.

As family members are regarded

a spouse or a registered partner of the same sex, "
https://www.poliisi.fi/poliisi/home.nsf ... endocument

There's next to no chance that a Russian could get a registered partnership RP unless he/she is already here studying or is in a "same sex" relationship
Also, for some reason Finnish officials do prefer that we apply and wait for the first RP in our homeland. It's actually no big tragedy 'cause a spouse visa is available and one just has to travel back to Russia and collect his RP from the Consulate when it's ready. Easy.

It's possible to apply in Finland, too. But there's a certain risk that some official will consider it a breach of rule AND applying in Finland often means a longer processing time, like, up to 6-7 months.

Quoting websites is good, but I'd like to keep it practical Been there, done that.

[Julkka]

Either you guys get married (in Finland, to save money and paper work) and you apply for a RP as a spouse (from Russia, your homeland! this is important in case of the 1st RP, Migri is very strict about that)

That's complete nonsense, and Migri is stating the opposite (see questions 1 and 8 at http://www.migri.fi/services/faq/reside ... its/family ) - he can enter Finland on a tourist visa, apply for the RP from Finland, and can stay in Finland until he gets the decision on his RP application.

The first option is much better: fast, easy etc. With the second one, 8 of 10 universities you have written to will not even reply, others have admission requirements set high etc.
If the girl is a Finnish citizen she does not even have to prove she can support you financially once you're married.

Not only does she not have to prove it, she also won't have to support him financially in practice since he will be entitled to sufficient money paid from Finnish taxes:

From the day he receives his RP he will be entitled to all of Finnish social security, including unemployment payments from Kela (if he's under 25 there's a 5 month waiting period unless he has completed vocational training). Since he won't find a job and spouse income is irrelevant for that, he is basically guaranteed to receive that.

OMG
Let me guess. You are a Russian and have had the experience similar to the one described here, that is why you're brave enough to say "nonsense" to others. Am I right?

Regarding the KELA thing - yes, tämä pitää paikkansa.

[Upphew]

There's next to no chance that a Russian could get a registered partnership RP unless he/she is already here studying or is in a "same sex" relationship
Also, for some reason Finnish officials do prefer that we apply and wait for the first RP in our homeland. It's actually no big tragedy 'cause a spouse visa is available and one just has to travel back to Russia and collect his RP from the Consulate when it's ready. Easy.

It's possible to apply in Finland, too. But there's a certain risk that some official will consider it a breach of rule AND applying in Finland often means a longer processing time, like, up to 6-7 months.

Quoting websites is good, but I'd like to keep it practical Been there, done that.

In theory the websites should give the correct information, practice... well you know it better than I do

That much longer waiting time can be a result of policeman not knowing what to do and escalating the application to migri. After sitting on top of the papers couple of months. But easy cases should be decided by copper, not migri. And applying here makes it easier to drag the Finnish spouse along to yell at them
But like I said: you most likely know it better than I do.

[Adrian42]

There's next to no chance that a Russian could get a registered partnership RP unless he/she is already here studying or is in a "same sex" relationship

It is amazing how clueless you are.
And sad that you anyway try to give advice to other people.

registered partnership = same-sex marriage

It's possible to apply in Finland, too. But there's a certain risk that some official will consider it a breach of rule

Please stop telling this nonsense - I already showed where Migri is stating exactly the opposite.

When Migri states it is OK, no official will ever consider it a breach of a rule.

[Julkka]

There's next to no chance that a Russian could get a registered partnership RP unless he/she is already here studying or is in a "same sex" relationship
Also, for some reason Finnish officials do prefer that we apply and wait for the first RP in our homeland. It's actually no big tragedy 'cause a spouse visa is available and one just has to travel back to Russia and collect his RP from the Consulate when it's ready. Easy.

It's possible to apply in Finland, too. But there's a certain risk that some official will consider it a breach of rule AND applying in Finland often means a longer processing time, like, up to 6-7 months.

Quoting websites is good, but I'd like to keep it practical Been there, done that.

In theory the websites should give the correct information, practice... well you know it better than I do

That much longer waiting time can be a result of policeman not knowing what to do and escalating the application to migri. After sitting on top of the papers couple of months. But easy cases should be decided by copper, not migri. And applying here makes it easier to drag the Finnish spouse along to yell at them
But like I said: you most likely know it better than I do.

Theory is theory, you know
Finland has a troubled history with Russia, so very often there's more suspicion towards us at first than, say, a newcomer from a Baltic country. The quest is to get the first RP smoothly, after that it's all up to one's motivation and competitive edges, provided of course that the marriage is not wrecked within a year or two because the spouses were just not much into each other. That happens.

The Finnish spouse does not have to drag himself or herself to the office to yell at coppers or whoever. In Finland, many prefer to yell on the phone
What you're right about is officials sitting on top of the papers for months. At least a couple of waking calls are needed to let them know someone cares...

[Adrian42]

But like I said: you most likely know it better than I do.

Definitely not.

When someone claims that doing things in a way Migri documents as correct would bear "a certain risk that some official will consider it a breach of rule" and that "Migri is very strict about that", then that person clearly has no clue.

It is so absurd to claim that Migri would document that something is correct, and then Migri itself would be very strict against doing it that way.

[Julkka]

There's next to no chance that a Russian could get a registered partnership RP unless he/she is already here studying or is in a "same sex" relationship

It is amazing how clueless you are.
And sad that you anyway try to give advice to other people.

registered partnership = same-sex marriage

It's possible to apply in Finland, too. But there's a certain risk that some official will consider it a breach of rule

Please stop telling this nonsense - I already showed where Migri is stating exactly the opposite.

When Migri states it is OK, no official will ever consider it a breach of a rule.

Ah, someone is just seeking a fight
No, dear. I do not feed trolls. I've answered to the person who was asking and you do not have the authority to wipe out my posts. Have a nice day

[Adrian42]

Let me guess. You are a Russian and have had the experience similar to the one described here, that is why you're brave enough to say "nonsense" to others. Am I right?

Can you please shut the f*ck up?

I am not Russian, but I clearly know the applicable rules better than you do.

Most of your personal experiences are irrelevant, since you miss a huge difference:
You were a non-EU spouse of a non-EU citizen.
The OP will be a non-EU spouse of a Finnish citizen.

That is a completely different situation. Please compare:
http://www.migri.fi/moving_to_finland_t ... in_finland
http://www.migri.fi/moving_to_finland_t ... sh_citizen

If you'd bother to read these pages then you will notice that for the "non-EU spouse of a non-EU citizen" Migri basically insists that the application is made in the home country. But telling that to the OP is nonsense, since he will be a "non-EU spouse of a Finnish citizen", and in that case Migri says that it is OK to apply from Finland.

[Julkka]

Let me guess. You are a Russian and have had the experience similar to the one described here, that is why you're brave enough to say "nonsense" to others. Am I right?

Can you please shut the f*ck up?

I am not Russian, but I clearly know the applicable rules better than you do.

Most of your personal experiences are irrelevant, since you miss a huge difference:
You were a non-EU spouse of a non-EU citizen.
The OP will be a non-EU spouse of a Finnish citizen.

That is a completely different situation.

You're a very angry troll, I'm scared to bits Mama, apuva!
And whatever country you're coming from, you are spoiling its reputation now by issuing shut-the-f*ck-ups etc. to a person you have barely talked to. I am not saying it's rude - sapienti sat. I am saying it's stupid.

[Adrian42]

Let me guess. You are a Russian and have had the experience similar to the one described here, that is why you're brave enough to say "nonsense" to others. Am I right?

Can you please shut the f*ck up?

I am not Russian, but I clearly know the applicable rules better than you do.

Most of your personal experiences are irrelevant, since you miss a huge difference:
You were a non-EU spouse of a non-EU citizen.
The OP will be a non-EU spouse of a Finnish citizen.

That is a completely different situation.

You're a very angry troll, I'm scared to bits Mama, apuva!

No, you are the troll who is repeatedly telling incorrect information to the OP.

And yes, I am getting angry when people like you continue to give incorrect information even after your mistake was pointed out to you.

[Julkka]

No, you are the troll who is repeatedly telling incorrect information to the OP.

And yes, I am getting angry when people like you continue to give incorrect information even after your mistake was pointed out to you.

Oh yeah. You give the kind of information at times that does not even SEEM correct.
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=68866&p=480118#p480118
Like, the cost of living in Helsinki (sic!) is EUR500-600 per person including housing. EUR100-200 is supposed (by you) to be enough for everything else but rent (groceries, chemicals, transportation, entertainment etc., besides - whoa! some people might even want to buy clothes especially when winter comes to this Winterfell). For a month. Have you personally tried to survive in Helsinki on EUR500-600 per month, Mr. Know-All?

The fight over inventing gizmos in a garage was pretty amusing, too.

And as regards English - the correct way of saying what you wanted to say is: "I GET angry when people like you continue to give incorrect information even after your mistake HAS BEEN pointed out to you". The ability to say "f*** you" and the wish to be listened to no matter what do not mean you are good enough to preach in that language.

You are, indeed, a reliable source of information in all respects. I absolutely agree

[Julkka]

And yes, I am getting angry when people like you....

And yes, I simply have to say this, can't miss the opportunity

There are no people like me. Only me. (C)

And you do not know me, so don't try to categorize.

[Upphew]

And you do not know me, so don't try to categorize.

No need to try, brain does it just as automatically as it keeps us breathing or our heart beating.

[Adrian42]

No, you are the troll who is repeatedly telling incorrect information to the OP.

And yes, I am getting angry when people like you continue to give incorrect information even after your mistake was pointed out to you.

Oh yeah. You give the kind of information at times that does not even SEEM correct.
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=68866&p=480118#p480118
Like, the cost of living in Helsinki (sic!) is EUR500-600 per person including housing. EUR100-200 is supposed (by you) to be enough for everything else but rent (groceries, chemicals, transportation, entertainment etc., besides - whoa! some people might even want to buy clothes especially when winter comes to this Winterfell). For a month.

Your repeated claim that the OP in this thread would have to go back to Russia to apply for an RP was nonsense.

You are also wrong in your claim that I was saying Like, the cost of living in Helsinki (sic!) is EUR500-600 per person including housing. This discussion was about the minimum amount needed, not a typical amount.

Such numbers might not seem to be correct for someone like you who is seems to be used to a much more luxury life, but in fact they are correct regarding what is needed when you reduce your expenses to what is really needed.

As soon as you go for the cheapest food, only second-hand clothes when really needed and no entertainment, € 100-200 per month is a realistic minimum. When the cheapest rice or noodles from Lidl with butter or ketchup is your lunch, then € 2-3 per day is enough to live without going to bed hungry.

Even living from less than € 100 per month is possible, and the students I met who did that told me that dumpster diving is easily possible in Helsinki.

Or let's look at what Migri considers sufficient for living in Finland: When a non-EU student wants to study in Finland, Migri requires the student to have € 560 per month as means of support to finance his life in Finland. Which is exactly in line with the € 500-600 number from me (and back then the Migri requirement for students was actually only € 500 per month).

Your repeated claim that the OP in this thread would have to go back to Russia to apply for an RP was nonsense.

[Ronn1e]

Woah, so much text suddenly

I'm gonna believe what Adrian42 is saying, since his information is confirmed by the migri site. It doesn't really say anywhere that it's forbidden to apply from inside the country. Not that we'll do it necessarily that way...but if we did, I don't see how it's wrong

best of luck but keep your exit stretegy open and ready in case if things go south. As someone pointed out, living together is a different matter and divorce between Finnish female and foreign male tends to be....a bit higher. When her social circle is going to talk about your career and what you are doing, and that she could be better off with a local financially and socially then she is going to bite you harder than a white shark, and Mr. Matti Meikäläinen (or Ivan Ivanov as you say in Russian) will show up.

I appreciate the concern but I really don't understand how you can leave someone you love just because he/she isn't stable with money...yet. If social circle can actually affect someone's private life that much..that is quite sad. But luckily we're not even very social people, more like the opposite