Marrying to a finn

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Let me guess. You are a Russian and have had the experience similar to the one described here, that is why you're brave enough to say "nonsense" to others. Am I right?

Anybody in your family who has moved to Finland as family member of Finnish citizen while the current aliens act was in force? It does not at least look like it based what you have written.

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I'm gonna believe what Adrian42 is saying, since his information is confirmed by the migri site. It doesn't really say anywhere that it's forbidden to apply from inside the country. Not that we'll do it necessarily that way...but if we did, I don't see how it's wrong

Nothing legally wrong with it (when the spouse is Finnish citizen). The bad point is that if you apply here, then during the time your permit is being processed (which might take several months even if the case is clear as such. It may be faster, but nobody here can guarantee that. The processing time depends on your new home city here and is known to have fluctuated quite a lot over the years.) you are basically a tourist here. No permit to work, no national health insurance or social benefits. Finnish language you can study on your own expense (if you find yourself a course). After your original visa has expired you can still legally stay here and wait for your permit, but traveling out from here and/or hoping to get back is questionable.

If you plan to get married here see that you have necessary documents with you.

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I'm gonna believe what Adrian42 is saying, since his information is confirmed by the migri site. It doesn't really say anywhere that it's forbidden to apply from inside the country. Not that we'll do it necessarily that way...but if we did, I don't see how it's wrong

Nothing legally wrong with it (when the spouse is Finnish citizen). The bad point is that if you apply here, then during the time your permit is being processed (which might take several months even if the case is clear as such. It may be faster, but nobody here can guarantee that. The processing time depends on your new home city here and is known to have fluctuated quite a lot over the years.) you are basically a tourist here. No permit to work, no national health insurance or social benefits. Finnish language you can study on your own expense (if you find yourself a course). After your original visa has expired you can still legally stay here and wait for your permit, but traveling out from here and/or hoping to get back is questionable.

If you plan to get married here see that you have necessary documents with you.

I see...well the problem is that I don't exactly live closeby to Finland. I'm almost in the center of Russia so travelling back and forth is rather expensive. I'm not even sure if the costs of staying there waiting will be any higher compared to the costs (travelling+ paperwork combined) of applying from my country.

Anyways, it's not gonna happen this year yet, I'm still saving up Thanks for all replies though, now I see the whole picture a bit clearer.

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But like I said: you most likely know it better than I do.

Definitely not.

When someone claims that doing things in a way Migri documents as correct would bear "a certain risk that some official will consider it a breach of rule" and that "Migri is very strict about that", then that person clearly has no clue.

It is so absurd to claim that Migri would document that something is correct, and then Migri itself would be very strict against doing it that way.

Actually there are different systems in place for different nations, the details are not on migri.fi.
My wife has told me about some stuff on finconsulate.ru and straight away i say,"no its not,its hypocritical,its not true .
But those differences have been there and russians have to deal with it,or just wait for the changes.

Although i am not commenting on the fin citizen spouse applying in finland, but some things in general remain inconsistent.

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Although i am not commenting on the fin citizen spouse applying in finland

What are you commenting then?

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Anyways, it's not gonna happen this year yet, I'm still saving up

Not quite sure if 'saving up' is that useful (likely(?) you can't do that very much anyway, and you'll survive here anyway as well). If you do realistically helps you to get employed here later, that is different. You of course decide what is best for you. One option would be to get married in Russia and applying for the permit afterwards (you should know better most of the formalities required for that).

Edit: few of the typos

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Anyways, it's not gonna happen this year yet, I'm still saving up

Not quite sure if 'saving up' is that useful (likely(?) you can't do that very much anyway, and you'll survive here anyway as well. If you do realistically helps you to get employed here later, that is different. You of course decide what is best for you. One option would be to get married in Russia and applying for the permit afterwards (you should no better most of the formalities required for that).

I'm saving up for inside expenses (visa fee/train tickets ~6 times/medical insurance), like I said before - I'm quite far away from civilization and even filing visa application is gonna require lots of spending due to nearest visa center location being thousand miles away (too bad they don't accept anything by mail )...

Getting married here isn't gonna be any easier so there's no point in that either. Well I'm aware of all the options now pretty much. Thanks again.

P.S. Asked the same question on a russian forum, replies were largely negative and plain retarded to say the least lol. So many angry russian wives of finnish men apparently "know better", disapproving and calling me a loser with an english dictionary who had no luck with a russian girl and instead "brainwashed" a foreign one into submission to escape from putin's rule Quite hilarious...especially the part where this russian immigrant blatantly admitted he didn't want to share quote -"his wonderful finnish land" with some random guy like me Who do those people think they are I wonder... :facepalm:

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Although i am not commenting on the fin citizen spouse applying in finland

What are you commenting then?

Random Boredom

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Anyways, it's not gonna happen this year yet, I'm still saving up

Not quite sure if 'saving up' is that useful (likely(?) you can't do that very much anyway, and you'll survive here anyway as well. If you do realistically helps you to get employed here later, that is different. You of course decide what is best for you. One option would be to get married in Russia and applying for the permit afterwards (you should no better most of the formalities required for that).

I'm saving up for inside expenses (visa fee/train tickets ~6 times/medical insurance), like I said before - I'm quite far away from civilization and even filing visa application is gonna require lots of spending due to nearest visa center location being thousand miles away (too bad they don't accept anything by mail )...

Getting married here isn't gonna be any easier so there's no point in that either. Well I'm aware of all the options now pretty much. Thanks again.

P.S. Asked the same question on a russian forum, replies were largely negative and plain retarded to say the least lol. So many angry russian wives of finnish men apparently "know better", disapproving and calling me a loser with an english dictionary who had no luck with a russian girl and instead "brainwashed" a foreign one into submission to escape from putin's rule Quite hilarious...especially the part where this russian immigrant blatantly admitted he didn't want to share quote -"his wonderful finnish land" with some random guy like me Who do those people think they are I wonder... :facepalm:

Communicate with russian companies entering the EU markets through estonia.

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Communicate with russian companies entering the EU markets through estonia.

What for? I think I'd prefer not to communicate with russians at all anymore lol. They seem extremely hostile towards other immigrants.

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I thought you were russian.
Theres opportunity for russian/english speakers to enter the EU through estonia by use of russian companies trtading in the EU.

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One last question - during the adaptation period/plan - Is it allowed to apply for college/polytechnic and study in one of the english programs?

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One last question - during the adaptation period/plan - Is it allowed to apply for college/polytechnic and study in one of the english programs?

haven't been through all the posts but if you wish to live in finland longer and has eyes on nursing etc. career, I would suggest you to take integration course, and after a couple of years of heavy finnish doses, you should apply for nursing course in Finnish medium. bright prospect career wise. well... it sounded quite alright when someone said how she has been doing in Finland.

adaptation or integration period is about 2-3 years and you won't get much time for degree studies while you are on it, so i guess it's either integration package or degree studies.

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One last question - during the adaptation period/plan - Is it allowed to apply for college/polytechnic and study in one of the english programs?

haven't been through all the posts but if you wish to live in finland longer and has eyes on nursing etc. career, I would suggest you to take integration course, and after a couple of years of heavy finnish doses, you should apply for nursing course in Finnish medium. bright prospect career wise. well... it sounded quite alright when someone said how she has been doing in Finland.

adaptation or integration period is about 2-3 years and you won't get much time for degree studies while you are on it, so i guess it's either integration package or degree studies.

Is it normal for a guy to become a nurse? I wonder what else they might offer in that intergration package if my experience is mostly translation/site work online and part time jobs on the side.

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Is it normal for a guy to become a nurse?

trust me when I first arrived here, I laughed at a guy who said he was studying to become a nurse... since I am from South Asia, things didn't sound well when a dude was going to become a nurse. I have heard ambulance dudes are quite in need nowadays or gonna be... overall, nurses are much in demand in Finland.

I wonder what else they might offer in that intergration package if my experience is mostly translation/site work online and part time jobs on the side.

as far as I know, integration program is about finnish language and finnish customs & rules, finnish working life etc. At the end of the program, you will get to do some internship in an area of your choice etc. Sorry, can't provide more info on integration program.