Help finding a job in Finland

[Pursuivant]

Thank you Cors187 for the useful links and the berry picking.

In January? You must be doing meth

During that time I will also work hard to get accepted into a Finnish university.

Yes, well, as the entrance examinations are held in May, I thought you said you'll be picking them dingleberries in January-March?

[Adrian42]

Thank you Cors187 for the useful links and the berry picking.

In January? You must be doing meth

It might not have been his explicit intention, but it makes a lot of sense:
If he is in Finland in January-March, and is after that he is still of the opinion that he wants to move here, that would be good proof that Finland is really a country where he wants to live.

[Pursuivant]

I think he's related to that bloke who went to Alaska and was found in that bus... Mc Candless or someone?

[Caleb_Hayward]

Ok, well I think that has confirmed my plan to volunteer from January to March and try my best to get accepted into a university. Yes, the application period for most of the universities I tried is during that period. Also I will try to find local Finnish exchange students that can possible help me learn Finnish and help me increase my chances to get accepted into a university. I will even work on keeping up to date on what's going on with the universities and see if I can do anything before the application period begins. It's not much to go on, but it's the best a poorly educated American has. I appreciate all the posts, they helped give me a better idea of my options.

[Caleb_Hayward]

But to be fair, I have worked at a few jobs and am currently working at a job here in America that has no requirements for special training. I just don't see it possible that Finland has no such jobs. Unless you are saying that jobs like that are not bi-lingual therefore giving me no chance without knowing Finnish. But plenty of Hispanics work here in America, barely know any English, and usually have no special skills.

[rinso]

I just don't see it possible that Finland has no such jobs. Unless you are saying that jobs like that are not bi-lingual therefore giving me no chance without knowing Finnish. But plenty of Hispanics work here in America, barely know any English, and usually have no special skills.

There are such jobs, but they are reserved for EU citizens (to much paperwork and bureaucracy to get a non EU in such a position).
And there are plenty people from Greece and Spain trying to escape the situation in their home country.
Finally, no special skill job often means your line chef doesn't speak English well, only Finnish.
No proper communication -> misunderstandings -> mistakes -> accidents -> financial claims, fines.
Not worth taken the risk with a no lingo foreigner.

[Adrian42]

But to be fair, I have worked at a few jobs and am currently working at a job here in America that has no requirements for special training. I just don't see it possible that Finland has no such jobs. Unless you are saying that jobs like that are not bi-lingual therefore giving me no chance without knowing Finnish. But plenty of Hispanics work here in America, barely know any English, and usually have no special skills.

The job market in Finland is completely different from the job market in the US.

There are some odd jobs where speaking English is enough, but outside of IT there are not many jobs you can get without speaking Finnish fluently.

People in countries like Estonia, Latvia, Greece or Spain are heavily affected by the current economic crisis, and as EU citizens they have the right to live and work in Finland. Minimum monthly salary in Latvia is € 280 and a quarter of the people who have a job there don't get more (and that's the people who have a job, 14% are unemployed). If you got a student Residence Permit you are at least allowed to compete with them. But even for jobs no Finn would do that's an awful lot of people competing for pretty few jobs.

And then there is also the question where in Finland you are looking for a job. Chances are best (but not great) in the Helsinki metropolitan area. As I already wrote, in Jyväskylä the unemployment rate is at 12% and over 30% of the population are students. Since students looking for a job are not counted as unemployed, that's roughly a quarter of the working-age population looking for a job. So if you study there and look for a job, you are competing with many thousands of other people for a handful of jobs.

[Pursuivant]

Ok, well I think that has confirmed my plan to volunteer from January to March and try my best to get accepted into a university. Yes, the application period for most of the universities I tried is during that period.

Yes, but what are you going to be doing in April when you need to leave the country? You won't have any results from the universities, and waiting isn't a reason to stay...

[Pursuivant]

. I just don't see it possible that Finland has no such jobs.

Yes, but we already have enough no-speaks from the EU to fill the niche.

[Pursuivant]

Looky here for your mexican, only he is legal
viewtopic.php?f=37&t=76604
So what exactly for would an employer have incentive to go through a RP process, and what is it Caleb can so Jakub can not to warrant the RP?

[jakub.rusin]

... and what is it Caleb can so Jakub can not to warrant the RP?

You mean me?

[Pursuivant]

Yes, what extraprdinary talent not available in the EU does Caleb have, so the employer will go through a residence permit process instead of hiring you, when the employer sees you two and is desperately hiring no-speak foreigners off the street?

[cors187]

I just don't see it possible that Finland has no such jobs. Unless you are saying that jobs like that are not bi-lingual therefore giving me no chance without knowing Finnish. But plenty of Hispanics work here in America, barely know any English, and usually have no special skills.

Your status as foreigner does not allow you to reside here and work a low skilled job.
You dont understand , but finland has a vast and costly work-related government type entity that goes over every detail of your skills, the job skills, the employers history, the salary amount,how many registered finnish job seekers can do the job, are you really needed etc etc.
They will spend tax payers money just to investigate and make a correct decision.You cant beat the logic.

You have to be valuable to someone of something.

[AldenG]

Many in your shoes move to Daytona Beach instead.

It's warmer, there's more work, and you can sleep under the pier.

[AldenG]

On a serious note, Canada would be 20x easier for you. There's almost nothing for you in Finland that you wouldn't get in Canada. Not that it's easy to get in there, either -- just as restrictive about work -- but your language would work for you instead of against you.

You pretty much couldn't choose a harder place in Europe unless it would be maybe Switzerland or Luxembourg, but even there the language would be an order of magnitude easier for you. Most foreigners immersed in a culture become reasonably fluent in German or French in a few years. With Finnish only a small minority do. The rest remain at an embarrassing and frustrating level pretty much forever.