i am coming to Finland

gogo24 · Post by **gogo24** » Tue Sep 10, 2013 1:45 am

I'm from the Croatia, I am 35 years old.I have MBO in Economics. I have good English knowledge.
I plan to come to Finland in 20 days. I have the money for a week or two, so I need to urgently find a job.
I am ready to do all the jobs.I decided this, because I've had enough of economic uncertainty that exists in my country. Please advice what to do when I arrive in Finland. Just do not write that I do not come, simply because I have no choice. Thanks for your answers

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Flossy1978 · Post by **Flossy1978** » Tue Sep 10, 2013 8:35 am

A job in a week or two? LOL. Sorry, I am laughing my arse off.

1) Whoopee you speak English... So do most other people in this country apart from the elderly and very young. Doesn't mean you'll get a job because you can speak English. You need Finnish.

2) What makes you think the job situation is any better here? There are people being laid off constantly.... The situation isn't good here either right now. You realise there's a huge recession going on EVERYWHERE.

3) Don't come here. Please don't tell us not to say that. There is no MUST you have to come here. You just want to come. Be it for a woman or a job you think you'll get in 1-2 weeks. No one is making you come here. It's a choice you are making.

rinso · Post by **rinso** » Tue Sep 10, 2013 9:11 am

gogo24 wrote: I plan to come to Finland in 20 days. I have the money for a week or two, so I need to urgently find a job.

And what will you do when the money is gone. You will not find a job within a couple of weeks. And even if you find one quickly it will take time to get through all the bureaucratic procedures (medical, registration, contract details). And when you finally start, it will take weeks before they pay your first salary.
So I suppose in the mean time you'll be living on the streets and eating from garbage bins?

Just do not write that I do not come, simply because I have no choice.

You do have a choice;
- staying in Croatia
- moving to an other country
What makes Finland so special that you have to come?
I can hardly imagine it's a matter of life and death.

kharnynb · Post by **kharnynb** » Tue Sep 10, 2013 9:55 am

You are moving from a country where you have family and other support systems, know the language and might have some qualifications.

You'll move into a country where you have no support system, don't speak the language, have no rights to any unemployement support etc.
Jobs are very hard to find at this time, even the most basic cleaning jobs require some finnish, and usually have many applicants per job.
Money will be gone in days instead of weeks, since you likely have no idea of the prices compared to your home country, let alone accomodation and such.

99% chance you will be miserable for a few weeks, give up, move back, the whole thing costing you what little financial buffer you had.

Adrian42 · Post by **Adrian42** » Tue Sep 10, 2013 10:48 am

rinso wrote:And even if you find one quickly it will take time to get through all the bureaucratic procedures (medical, registration, contract details).

Preparation of contracts is usually not a big deal, most companies have a template that can be filled in and signed within less than an hour.

Since he is an EU citizen, he can just start working and sort out all formalities afterwards.

rinso wrote:And when you finally start, it will take weeks before they pay your first salary.

An employer can give a loan to an employee.

rinso wrote:You will not find a job within a couple of weeks.

This is the only real problem for the OP - spending all his money on lottery tickets would have a bigger chance of succeeding than spending all his money on a trip to Finland and hoping to find a job within two weeks...

Oombongo · Post by **Oombongo** » Tue Sep 10, 2013 11:08 am

you have more options in English speaking countries like Queen's Island.

rinso · Post by **rinso** » Tue Sep 10, 2013 11:15 am

Adrian42 wrote: Preparation of contracts is usually not a big deal, most companies have a template that can be filled in and signed within less than an hour.

Since he is an EU citizen, he can just start working and sort out all formalities afterwards.

An employer can give a loan to an employee.

True, it can be done.
But what are the chances an employer wants to go through that process for a foreigner who he doesn't know and who has yet not his magic number?
(loan would be cash in hand since he cannot open a bank account as a tourist)
It might work if he is a very rare specialist but:

I am ready to do all the jobs.

that doesn't sound like it.

Adrian42 · Post by **Adrian42** » Tue Sep 10, 2013 11:23 am

Oombongo wrote:you have more options in English speaking countries like Queen's Island.

He doesn't yet have the right to work there.

Adrian42 · Post by **Adrian42** » Tue Sep 10, 2013 11:35 am

rinso wrote:
Adrian42 wrote: Preparation of contracts is usually not a big deal, most companies have a template that can be filled in and signed within less than an hour.

Since he is an EU citizen, he can just start working and sort out all formalities afterwards.

An employer can give a loan to an employee.

True, it can be done.
But what are the chances an employer wants to go through that process for a foreigner who he doesn't know and who has yet not his magic number?

Except for the loan part, nothing is really different from what they'd be doing for a Finn.

rinso wrote:(loan would be cash in hand since he cannot open a bank account as a tourist)

Or send it to his Croatian bank account.

Or to the Finnish bank account he can open (I got my first Finnish bank account even a few days before i got my Finnish SSN).

rinso wrote:It might work if he is a very rare specialist but:

I fully agree with you that he has a near-zero chance of finding any job at all.

The only thing I am pointing out is that if an employer would (against all odds) decide to offer a job, there would be no real obstacles left.

rinso · Post by **rinso** » Tue Sep 10, 2013 1:01 pm

there would be no real obstacles left.

As I said, it can be done.
But to suggest that once he got a job (within a few weeks

) all his problems are solved, is to optimistic.
Everybody involved has to bent over backwards to accommodate an unknown foreigner.
A bank or employer can help you, but that requires trust and respect. And in most cases you have to earn that first.

Adrian42 · Post by **Adrian42** » Tue Sep 10, 2013 1:16 pm

rinso wrote:
there would be no real obstacles left.
As I said, it can be done.
But to suggest that once he got a job (within a few weeks ) all his problems are solved, is to optimistic.
Everybody involved has to bent over backwards to accommodate an unknown foreigner.
A bank or employer can help you, but that requires trust and respect. And in most cases you have to earn that first.

If an employer wouldn't have some amount of trust in and respect for you, he wouldn't offer you a job.

Finding a job is a huge problem (in this case likely an unsolvable problem).

All problems that are left after signing a work contract are small solvable problems.

Ankan · Post by **Ankan** » Tue Sep 10, 2013 5:03 pm

You ask the same thing here in a swedish forum http://www.thelocal.se/discuss/index.ph ... =61027&hl=

ritan7471 · Post by **ritan7471** » Tue Sep 10, 2013 6:11 pm

Ankan wrote:You ask the same thing here in a swedish forum http://www.thelocal.se/discuss/index.ph ... =61027&hl=

good catch!

The only thing I can congratulate the OP on is his unflagging optimism in the face of cold, hard reality.

I found a job immediately after moving to Finland, but ONLY because I happened across the one company doing the exact one thing that I was trained to do in the States. And I applied a year in advance, and kept in touch with the manager during my plans to move. But I am under no delusions. If I lost this job, I would be unlikely to find another so easily if I don't hurry and become fluent in Finnish. I have too many, much more highly educated friends from America who have not been able to find a job in years, even ones that speak better Finnish than I do.

Moving to Finland (or Sweden, or Denmark) on the spur of the moment and expecting to land any job in a country where you don't speak the language is naive at best. Chances are, you'll throw away your savings and have to walk home. But it's your life savings, not mine and you can spend it however you want. Keep in mind though, that there are very few jobs where no Finnish language knowledge is required and those have dozens if not a hundred or more candidates for each opening.

Better to stay put and look for jobs at a distance and make SURE you can really find work here. Research how much it really costs to live here, and whether you can afford to do it without any state support.

gogo24 · Post by **gogo24** » Wed Sep 11, 2013 3:23 am

I do not know why it's a problem if I'm on the Swedish forum looking for some answers ... I guess I will not ask Finns about sweden, or contrary ... say that there's almost zero chance to find a job ... then why in Finland seeking fruit pickers,costruction and agricultural workers,taxi and bus drivers who coming from Eastern Europe...

Sweden, Finland and Denmark are receiving workers from Croatia now that Croatia is a member of the EU and its all the same where I find job ... I just want a better life for myself and my family...thanks for your help

rinso · Post by **rinso** » Wed Sep 11, 2013 7:20 am

Keep in mind though, that there are very few jobs where no Finnish language knowledge is required and those have dozens if not a hundred or more candidates for each opening.

Even for jobs that require Finnish you see that number of applicants.

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