Prosecutor and the berry pickers' trafficking complaint

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Prosecutor and the berry pickers' trafficking complaint

Post by network_engineer » Thu Sep 19, 2013 11:02 am

The news in detail here

Any idea what's behind the whole complaint. The prosecutor's decision, normal? Not to even look at the complaint. As I know, some companies promise ridiculous to unsuspecting people. One could of course, argue that people ought not to believe blindly what's promised, but then again, we are talking about country-side people, not necessarily aware of the world happenings.

Having read a few of the articles, I am a bit inclined to ask: Would the prosecutor have taken a different view if these migrant workers were, e.g. European?



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Re: Prosecutor and the berry pickers' trafficking complaint

Post by Upphew » Thu Sep 19, 2013 11:55 am

network_engineer wrote:The news in detail here

Any idea what's behind the whole complaint. The prosecutor's decision, normal? Not to even look at the complaint. As I know, some companies promise ridiculous to unsuspecting people. One could of course, argue that people ought not to believe blindly what's promised, but then again, we are talking about country-side people, not necessarily aware of the world happenings.

Having read a few of the articles, I am a bit inclined to ask: Would the prosecutor have taken a different view if these migrant workers were, e.g. European?
Berry pickers' lawyer has already apologized for the berry company and told that the criminal activity has taken place in Thailand. Surely not jurisdiction of Finnish prosecutors. Hmm, now that I think about it, it might be if the criminals are Finns.

http://www.kaleva.fi/uutiset/kotimaa/th ... si/642355/

edit. so yeah, the result would most likely be the same be the pickers Thai or Greek.
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Re: Prosecutor and the berry pickers' trafficking complaint

Post by rinso » Thu Sep 19, 2013 12:00 pm

Would the prosecutor have taken a different view if these migrant workers were, e.g. European?
I don't think so.
In Finland the court looks primary to the text of the law, interpreting the law based on social and cultural phenomena is normally not done.
Those berry pickers are independent tradesmen who take a normal business risk.
That they over estimated their profits (based on wrong information?) is not a case of human trafficking.
They might however have a claim against the guy who supplied the information.

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Re: Prosecutor and the berry pickers' trafficking complaint

Post by kharnynb » Thu Sep 19, 2013 12:08 pm

It's nothing to do with the origin etc.

Basically, you can only file for trafficing if there was force or threats etc., which just wasn't the case.

It seems the group that is causing all the problems(a very small group compared to the total nr of thai pickers) has had very bad luck and then tried to take matters in their own hands.

The big question is of-course if the main idea behind the finnish style of berrypicking foreigners is a good one, personally i'd prefer they would use the same system as sweden, or the strawberry pickers, where a wage contract is used and not this strange loan+"self-employement" trick to avoid taxpaying.


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