Hello,
I am in finland and now doing Ph.d. Before this i have worked for 4 yrs in the same relevant field.
I am nt aware of Finnish salary system. So can any one hlep me in that and let me know that for Ph.d will they consider my relevant work exp and give me that salary for Phd OR they will give me the basic salary of fresher for Phd???
What is the salary for 4 yrs exp in industry
Re: What is the salary for 4 yrs exp in industry
Categorize the job and look for the relevant collective agreement .
What is a collective agreement-
http://www.worker-participation.eu/Nati ... Bargaining
http://www.finlex.fi/en/laki/kaannokset ... 460436.pdf
Quote from Occupational helath and Safety
http://www.tyosuojelu.fi/fi/workingfinland/
What is a collective agreement-
http://www.worker-participation.eu/Nati ... Bargaining
http://www.finlex.fi/en/laki/kaannokset ... 460436.pdf
Quote from Occupational helath and Safety
http://www.tyosuojelu.fi/fi/workingfinland/
Collective agreement
The employer’s unions and workers trade unions agree upon pay and other terms of employment in a collective agreement. Generally the terms of the collective agreement are in favour of the employee in comparison to the common legislation. Shorter working hours, longer sick-leave payment periods and holiday money are agreed in almost every collective agreement. There is a collective agreement in most working branches, which binds all employers in it’s applicable sector (a generally applicable collective agreement).
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Re: What is the salary for 4 yrs exp in industry
Hi,
In theory, at the doctoral research student level, you can ask for a vaati (job demand) of 4 and the rest theoretically depends on your working performance (henki), such as papers published and securing research funding for your own project, supervisor permitting. Vaati and henki should be discussed at regular intervals in a formal meeting that is standard. A way to talk you down is the supremacy and duration of Finnish higher qualifications - blah-de-blah as if you are going to try and get the same qualification twice - so it may be wise to get your qualifications validated as being equivalent to the Finnish counterparts by the opetushallitus so you have some ammo for such meetings. Your institution should have a list of things you need to be doing or qualifications you have to meet a certain job demand level as is typically held on the private section of the university website that may be accompanied by an official 'laskuri' to calculate the possible ways of paying you. Just save time, copy and paste the criteria when doing your forms, as the administrators "get confused" by specialist terms in your field and assume you don't meet the criteria. You may need to make arguments in such meetings with persistence while staying relaxed and maintaining your composure. This is the stuff of science and a facet of good collaboration that needs discussion of different perspectives on many concerns including funding. As an initial estimate, the first table in the link should apply to you and the value is after employer's expenses and the like but before your income tax.
http://www.yhl.fi/yhl/edunvalvonta/jarj ... 012013.pdf
Including 12 months of this, you should get holiday money. This all sounds really good. It is less about years of experience and more about what you do and how well.
In practice, the intention might be you are paid less and a way has been found to make it work outside the usual system. I've dealt with the notion that all foreigners in research are visitors and thus do not need money for housing loans, supporting children and so on... It's about efficient research management, and in Finland's case, congratulating itself on its international standing in the mobility statistics, which come very naturally anyway when lots of foreign researchers are invited and then find what it is like to live through such a dark winter on an a short-term unreliable source of funding. A way that I have seen things work outside the usual system is CIMO funding, which can work out as stipend of around 1400 euro a month, as is thought to be only enough for single people with no children who visit Finland.
Without coming across as greedy or distrustful, you should ask politely at an appropriate point to your dept/research centre administrator if this system is being applied to your salary or "stipend", and hopefully you will get an induction in the regular review procedures and how to establish an appropriately paid position in the long-term to complete your PhD that tends to take between 5 and 8 years in Finland. Try to find out how the budget for your position works, the longer term plan and subtly what your role in acquiring funds *could* be. It is also really up to firstly the supervisor (and formally the departmental head) whether they support you application for funds (and PhD completion), so you need to have some good ideas and show the potential of your projects and if they don't invite you first to do so, you may need to suggest to them you apply for funds. There may also be a committee you need to convince about funding the next phase of your research if you center/dept is already "well funded" and is unlikely to get anything extra from the same funding sources. Some of the best funded places have the most efficient research management and lots of heads to do the work. There is a range of ways a PhD can be funded and the source of funds may be from outside the country as can affect how you are paid, as can affect your net income. That can be financially good or bad news for you.
It stands for Permanent head Damage!
T.
In theory, at the doctoral research student level, you can ask for a vaati (job demand) of 4 and the rest theoretically depends on your working performance (henki), such as papers published and securing research funding for your own project, supervisor permitting. Vaati and henki should be discussed at regular intervals in a formal meeting that is standard. A way to talk you down is the supremacy and duration of Finnish higher qualifications - blah-de-blah as if you are going to try and get the same qualification twice - so it may be wise to get your qualifications validated as being equivalent to the Finnish counterparts by the opetushallitus so you have some ammo for such meetings. Your institution should have a list of things you need to be doing or qualifications you have to meet a certain job demand level as is typically held on the private section of the university website that may be accompanied by an official 'laskuri' to calculate the possible ways of paying you. Just save time, copy and paste the criteria when doing your forms, as the administrators "get confused" by specialist terms in your field and assume you don't meet the criteria. You may need to make arguments in such meetings with persistence while staying relaxed and maintaining your composure. This is the stuff of science and a facet of good collaboration that needs discussion of different perspectives on many concerns including funding. As an initial estimate, the first table in the link should apply to you and the value is after employer's expenses and the like but before your income tax.
http://www.yhl.fi/yhl/edunvalvonta/jarj ... 012013.pdf
Including 12 months of this, you should get holiday money. This all sounds really good. It is less about years of experience and more about what you do and how well.
In practice, the intention might be you are paid less and a way has been found to make it work outside the usual system. I've dealt with the notion that all foreigners in research are visitors and thus do not need money for housing loans, supporting children and so on... It's about efficient research management, and in Finland's case, congratulating itself on its international standing in the mobility statistics, which come very naturally anyway when lots of foreign researchers are invited and then find what it is like to live through such a dark winter on an a short-term unreliable source of funding. A way that I have seen things work outside the usual system is CIMO funding, which can work out as stipend of around 1400 euro a month, as is thought to be only enough for single people with no children who visit Finland.
Without coming across as greedy or distrustful, you should ask politely at an appropriate point to your dept/research centre administrator if this system is being applied to your salary or "stipend", and hopefully you will get an induction in the regular review procedures and how to establish an appropriately paid position in the long-term to complete your PhD that tends to take between 5 and 8 years in Finland. Try to find out how the budget for your position works, the longer term plan and subtly what your role in acquiring funds *could* be. It is also really up to firstly the supervisor (and formally the departmental head) whether they support you application for funds (and PhD completion), so you need to have some good ideas and show the potential of your projects and if they don't invite you first to do so, you may need to suggest to them you apply for funds. There may also be a committee you need to convince about funding the next phase of your research if you center/dept is already "well funded" and is unlikely to get anything extra from the same funding sources. Some of the best funded places have the most efficient research management and lots of heads to do the work. There is a range of ways a PhD can be funded and the source of funds may be from outside the country as can affect how you are paid, as can affect your net income. That can be financially good or bad news for you.
It stands for Permanent head Damage!
T.
There remains that which is to be understood...
Re: What is the salary for 4 yrs exp in industry
Thanks for the info provided..