Corruption related to job in Finland

[hossain123]

I notice a silent corruption in job market of Finland. It’s called lobbying or recommendation. I have noticed all time, when a Finnish employer give job to a foreign person, they mostly choose him/her because of the request of his friends, or someone who already works there. Then, they don’t care about languages and experiences. I don’t know how, they treat with Finnish people. But, I have noticed it for last 4 years as I have many friends here who got good job by recommendation. And people without recommendation had to wait and suffer for long time. May be I am wrong. You appreciate your opinion.

[cors187]

I think corruption is a strong word when an Employer rightfully has a choice.

corruption
kəˈrʌpʃ(ə)n/
noun
noun: corruption; plural noun: corruptions

1.
dishonest or fraudulent conduct by those in power, typically involving bribery.
"the journalist who wants to expose corruption in high places"
synonyms: dishonesty, dishonest dealings, unscrupulousness, deceit, deception, duplicity, double-dealing, fraud, fraudulence, misconduct, lawbreaking, crime, criminality, delinquency, wrongdoing, villainy; More
bribery, bribing, subornation, venality, graft, extortion, jobbery, profiteering;
payola;
informalcrookedness, shadiness, sleaze, palm-greasing;
malfeasance, misfeasance;
archaicknavery;
raremalversation
"senior officials have been implicated in corruption"
antonyms: honesty
the action or effect of making someone or something morally depraved.
"the corruption of youth was a powerful motif"
synonyms: sin, sinfulness, ungodliness, unrighteousness, profanity, impiety, impurity; More
immorality, depravity, vice, iniquity, turpitude, degeneracy, perversion, pervertedness, debauchery, dissolution, dissoluteness, decadence, profligacy, wantonness, indecency, lasciviousness, lewdness, lechery;
wickedness, evil, baseness, vileness
"he is aware of his fall into corruption"
antonyms: morality, purity
2.
the process by which a word or expression is changed from its original state to one regarded as erroneous or debased.
"a record of a word's corruption"
synonyms: alteration, falsification, doctoring, manipulation, manipulating, fudging, adulteration, debasement, degradation, abuse, subversion, misrepresentation, misapplication; More

[onkko]

I notice a silent corruption in job market of Finland. It’s called lobbying or recommendation. I have noticed all time, when a Finnish employer give job to a foreign person, they mostly choose him/her because of the request of his friends, or someone who already works there. Then, they don’t care about languages and experiences. I don’t know how, they treat with Finnish people. But, I have noticed it for last 4 years as I have many friends here who got good job by recommendation. And people without recommendation had to wait and suffer for long time. May be I am wrong. You appreciate your opinion.

So you are calling CV corruption?
I do know that getting a job is all about who you know but thats not limited to public or isnt something what only foreigners experience. Whats your point?

[rinso]

For an employer recommendations from someone he knows and trusts are an important factor in the decision.
Networking is by far the most effective job search in Finland.

[Upphew]

I notice a silent corruption in job market of Finland. It’s called lobbying or recommendation. I have noticed all time, when a Finnish employer give job to a foreign person, they mostly choose him/her because of the request of his friends, or someone who already works there. Then, they don’t care about languages and experiences. I don’t know how, they treat with Finnish people. But, I have noticed it for last 4 years as I have many friends here who got good job by recommendation. And people without recommendation had to wait and suffer for long time. May be I am wrong. You appreciate your opinion.

Who would you hire in employer shoes? Some Upphew from the street or some hossain123 who is known and recommended by employee and and ex-employee?
It is easier to pick something you know than something unknown. Be it employee, employee's education or how the employee reacts to things (aka culture).

[Pursuivant]

you lived in some kind of barrell? That happens in any country in the world. In Chinese they have a special word for your networking & clout and people take it seriously. In Finland it doesn't happen within the government though.

[ritan7471]

I wouldn't call that corruption at all. As others have said, if you had a friend or employee recommend someone, and another applicant that you only knew what his CV said (which could be full of lies), who would you hire?

It's not corruption, it's common sense.

I can see how it's frustrating not to find work because you have no connections, but to say it's corruption is going pretty far.

[Sami-Is-Boss]

you lived in some kind of barrell? That happens in any country in the world. In Chinese they have a special word for your networking & clout and people take it seriously. In Finland it doesn't happen within the government though.

It obviously happens in the UK, but not that much. I've never needed to use a contact to get any job I've had since I was about 18

[Oombongo]

You may want to read, learn, understand and memorize the definition of word "Corruption" for future reference.

[hossain123]

I wouldn't call that corruption at all. As others have said, if you had a friend or employee recommend someone, and another applicant that you only knew what his CV said (which could be full of lies), who would you hire?

It's not corruption, it's common sense.

I can see how it's frustrating not to find work because you have no connections, but to say it's corruption is going pretty far.

Well, if you don't want to say it corruption, what would you like to call this thing?? I wanted to mean that, if someone has better educational qualification from Finland, has work experiences in some companies and knows language better than the people who get job or get a call for interview, then how do you explain that.?? Nepotism??
But, that's not a better word than corruption. You are telling about false information in CV and lies, but if someone has common sense and talk with someone for a while, he/she can easily find it out. Ofcourse, recommendation is a quick way to hire manpower very easily and quickly. But, it should come at the end.

[cors187]

hossain123 »

Favoritism is a word you can use and get a better reply.
You favored Finland over Toilet-ville
How can you explain that?

[rinso]

Ofcourse, recommendation is a quick way to hire manpower very easily and quickly.

And with little risk of a wrong decision. That's why it is used.
Why go through an elaborate process if you already have a good candidate?
And remember the best candidate is not always the guy with the best cv.

[ritan7471]

Well, if you don't want to say it corruption, what would you like to call this thing?? I wanted to mean that, if someone has better educational qualification from Finland, has work experiences in some companies and knows language better than the people who get job or get a call for interview, then how do you explain that.??

I wonder how you would know for sure that your friends who have not been hired were truly the best candidate? It's very easy to be angry when you are not selected for a job, and I'd say, very common for someone who is disappointed to feel bitter and claim it was corruption/favoritism. Maybe the "better candidate's" superior attitude and sense of entitlement came through in his application or interview? Maybe the employer had already interviewed a candidate he liked better? You are assuming some level of prejudice and cronyism that probably doens't exist.

As others have said, a spectacular CV does not guarantee that its bearer is the best person for the job. There's more to a candidate than a good score on the YKI test and a diploma from Metropolia. A candidate is more than the sum of his work experience.

By its definition, corruption is illegal. It's not illegal for an employer to select a candidate from a pool, where good recommendations from people he knows and trusts are the deciding factor after all other variables have been considered.

I came to Finland and was hired at my current job with no connections or Finnish work experience. But in this case my job experience precisely matches what my employer was looking for. I don't have a diploma from a Finnish UAS or university. No doubt there were other candidates with better education and certainly fluent Finnish, but my employer chose me because my experience and personality matched what they were looking for. A rejected candidate might well say that she was better than I am because she has a more flashy CV and a better diploma. I say I was the right person at the right time with the right background. Who is right? It's hard to be objective when you've not gotten a job you wanted.

[cors187]

I was corrupted the other day in S-market when i walked past the sugar bread section.

[Pursuivant]

So who would you take to live with you if you rent out a room? Some funny foreigner off the street or someone you know of or someone that someone you know recommends?

Same thing. Actually, there *is* corruption - I need to pay an agency for a background check and references. That is what a friend would do for free

I would call it "corruption" if you paid to get a job contract. (Thats not too far of whats going on in the UK, but I haven't been asked to pay a bakshish yet...)