recommend me an electrician please

[rupun]

Hi all,

Need to have two outside light fixtures replaced, the old ones are broken. Nothing more. Wires/connections/switches everything is already in place. I am told even this needs to be done by an electrician. Any recommendations please? We live in Vantaa, near Tikkurila.

PS: Yes, I tried two of them via the sähkötreffit.fi website. One guy quoted me 200 EUR, that makes his hourly charge, like 400 EUR?

[EspooStu]

I know someone who can do this for you for 60 euros. If you are interested then email me at the following address.

Stuartemoore@hotmail.com

I live in Espoo, Finland.

Stuart

[foca]

Hi all,

Need to have two outside light fixtures replaced, the old ones are broken. Nothing more. Wires/connections/switches everything is already in place. I am told even this needs to be done by an electrician. Any recommendations please? We live in Vantaa, near Tikkurila.

are u really ready to pay for such a job? i do not really believe it..... go to k- rauta 75 buy the fixtures and do it yourself...
by the way if you really want some inexpensive handy men - check notice bard there....

[Upphew]

are u really ready to pay for such a job? i do not really believe it..... go to k- rauta 75 buy the fixtures and do it yourself..

http://www.tukes.fi/en/Branches/Electri ... n-Finland/
"The only area where authorization rules do not apply, are so-called everyman works. These are:

replacement of connection cords of appliances, construction and repair of single-phase extension cords, connection and repair of domestic non-fixture lamps"

[onkko]

Hi all,

Need to have two outside light fixtures replaced, the old ones are broken. Nothing more. Wires/connections/switches everything is already in place. I am told even this needs to be done by an electrician. Any recommendations please? We live in Vantaa, near Tikkurila.

are u really ready to pay for such a job? i do not really believe it..... go to k- rauta 75 buy the fixtures and do it yourself...
by the way if you really want some inexpensive handy men - check notice bard there....

Sure and then insurances are void and you are risking your life. Little mistake in wiring and you are dead.

[foca]

are u really ready to pay for such a job? i do not really believe it..... go to k- rauta 75 buy the fixtures and do it yourself..

http://www.tukes.fi/en/Branches/Electri ... n-Finland/
"The only area where authorization rules do not apply, are so-called everyman works. These are:

replacement of connection cords of appliances, construction and repair of single-phase extension cords, connection and repair of domestic non-fixture lamps"

well there should be common sense in this. besides the job seems to be "repair of single-phase extension cords.......of domestic non-fixture lamps"....

[rupun]

are u really ready to pay for such a job? i do not really believe it..... go to k- rauta 75 buy the fixtures and do it yourself..

http://www.tukes.fi/en/Branches/Electri ... n-Finland/
"The only area where authorization rules do not apply, are so-called everyman works. These are:
replacement of connection cords of appliances, construction and repair of single-phase extension cords, connection and repair of domestic non-fixture lamps"

Actually, I am knowledgeable enough to do this, mandatory basic courses in engineering! But, the Finnish law and insurance requires that this is done by a certified electrician, and I am not certified in Finland. That being said, I don't need any extensions - NOTHING! The lamps are there. The connections are there etc. Just that the glasses on the lamp are cracked. But the mains are off (not just the switches, but the mains), and they are not in use. Looks a little bad on the decorative front, but we have all the light we need from the lighting on the house. All I need is the lamps off the wall, and new ones in, and connected.

That being said, prior to posting this, I asked around, and the responses are still coming in... from as low as 200 to 350 EUR! I am not into profanity, but I am willing to make an exception! I did however, very politely reply back "that would make your hourly charge about 700 EUR/hr". Seriously! #€%&/@! nuts!

And that too when the economy seems to be going down.

Honestly, who cares! I have enough light, as I said, it just looks a bit weird! If I don't get the right price, I don't do it. I am not about to pay idiotic sums for something that requires little skill.

[Upphew]

How local electricians you have asked? Traveling isn't free...

[rupun]

Quite a number of them, called about seven.

Yes, I know travelling ain't free, but then again 0,44 seems a rip-off! When you take into account, that the use of the vehicle is tax deductible, as well as the gasoline. So,

- 0,44e/ kms
- use of the vehicle deductible (insurance, loans etc)
- vehicle asset value accepted in depreciation
- gas deductible
- and the working hour starts when they leave from their place

Right! Everything is stacked in their favour it seems!

PS: I just heard of some Estonian companies with Finnish certified electricians selling service as a product (as opposed to product as a service). The invoicing is done in Estonia, i.e. you buy the whole "installation-as-a-product", and you get prices from Estonia. Sure, you don't get the reduction in taxes, but then again, the prices are way cheaper, even without the taxable reduction benefit!


Tax amount vs. taxable income

PPS: As I understand, the "kotitalousvähennys" is a reduction in the taxable income, not the tax amount itself. I.e. if you pay, e.g. 2.000 EUR for some house-work, and if your taxable income is e.g. 80.000, and let's say the current tax amount is 20.000, then the reduction is that you now can reduce the taxable income by [60%-of-the-2.000 EUR], i.e. your new taxable income is EUR 80.000 - EUR 1.200 = EUR 78.800. So, the real benefit?

[Liam1]

Isn't the point on the "travellling isn't free" the time taken for him from when he leaves to when he gets to the next job?

So you see 30 min of time at your place. Once travel, invoicing time, safety buffers are added he may see up to 2hrs working on this if he has a 20 -30 min journey (A taxi charges €50 for a 25 min trip. Same earning philosophy applies for your electrician). Minimise travel and he may fit this in 1hr....

If it makes you feel any better, we are useless and couldn't find a local fuse box when some spotlights blew, using your calculation method (time on the job=5min), our electrician was making over €1000 / hr!!

[onkko]

Average expence on car is 0,45e/km and company does pay alv from what they bill you too so if they bill you 0,44e with alv, price withouth alv is only possible if you are company when its added on actual bill anyways, then is way less than average expense. They get 35,5c.
Also you forget that deductable in tax means if you earn 20k and cost of car is 2k you will be taxed by profit of "only" 18k so there is no any "i wont pay anything". Lets say tax is 20% so it means you pay 400 less in taxes for 2000 of expenses. Just like any other expense like rent etc. It doesnt mean that if you pay 1000k you pay 1000k less tax.