Holiday: What is the correct calculation?

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Samer2010
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Holiday: What is the correct calculation?

Post by Samer2010 » Sat Dec 28, 2013 1:58 pm

Hi Forum,

I have a question about the public holidays and I would really appreciate your inputs on how things are calculated accurately.

Assume that an employee took 1 week holiday (From his/her annual leave) starting from Monday till Friday. Although, Mon-Fri are 5 days, But as far as I know, according to Finnish labour law, they will be considered as 6 days (Because Saturday is counted). => OK, I have no problem understanding that.

My question is: Assume that an employee took 2 weeks holiday from Monday (30.12.2013) till (10.01.2014), then, How it will be calculated?

a) Will it be considered normally as: 6 days + 6 days => 12 days ?

OR

b) Will the official public holidays during that period (Wednesday 01/01/2014 New Year & Monday 06/01/2014 Epiphany) be removed from the calculation => Which means: 5 days + 5 days => 10 days ?


Thanks !



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Alex.Sm
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Re: Holiday: What is the correct calculation?

Post by Alex.Sm » Sat Dec 28, 2013 2:03 pm

Samer2010 wrote:Hi Forum,

I have a question about the public holidays and I would really appreciate your inputs on how things are calculated accurately.

Assume that an employee took 1 week holiday (From his/her annual leave) starting from Monday till Friday. Although, Mon-Fri are 5 days, But as far as I know, according to Finnish labour law, they will be considered as 6 days (Because Saturday is counted). => OK, I have no problem understanding that.

My question is: Assume that an employee took 2 weeks holiday from Monday (30.12.2013) till (10.01.2014), then, How it will be calculated?

a) Will it be considered normally as: 6 days + 6 days => 12 days ?

OR

b) Will the official public holidays during that period (Wednesday 01/01/2014 New Year & Monday 06/01/2014 Epiphany) be removed from the calculation => Which means: 5 days + 5 days => 10 days ?


Thanks !
Yep public holidays are not counted and If I'm not wrong on the second week, the Saturday is not counted so will be 5 + 4 = 9 ... but not surer 100% for the second Saturday.

betelgeuse
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Re: Holiday: What is the correct calculation?

Post by betelgeuse » Sat Dec 28, 2013 3:18 pm

http://www.erto.fi/tyosuhdeopas/vuosilo ... pitaeminen

Yes the public holidays will not be counted. If you can get your employer to define the holiday as 30.12.2013 - 10.01.2014 then the second Saturday will not be counted because it's not included in the timeframe. However, most likely they want you to be on holiday until 12 so the second Saturday also gets counted. To investigate the details of your specific situation you should also mention the collective bargaining agreement in effect because they can (and usually do) have clauses about holidays.

riku2
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Re: Holiday: What is the correct calculation?

Post by riku2 » Sat Dec 28, 2013 10:19 pm

We had a long discussion about this with our HR since we were transferred to a new company.

previous company's interpretation is that out of your annual holiday allowance (30 days) then 5 are used for saturdays, leaving 25. this applied regardless of how you actually took the holiday - whole weeks or individual days.

new company's interpretation is any friday = 2 days deducted from your allowance. any of mon/tue/wed/thu = 1 day from your allowance.

So we could take 30x mondays if we want now under these rules.

The law itself is badly worded and gets even more complicated when you throw in some saturdays being public holidays (really ,please, a public holiday on a saturday!!)

The idea that you can count 2 weeks holiday as 11 days by not counting the last saturday doesn't make sense though. why would only saturdays in the middle of holiday periods be counted? based on that logic you would not have to count any saturdays at all by keeping your holidays to one week or less.

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Re: Holiday: What is the correct calculation?

Post by atas » Sat Dec 28, 2013 10:44 pm

Counting days off taken on non-working days is simply moronic.

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Re: Holiday: What is the correct calculation?

Post by cors187 » Sun Dec 29, 2013 1:36 am

atas wrote:Counting days off taken on non-working days is simply moronic.
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