Acceleration letter for citizenship application

KoolAid · Post by **KoolAid** » Fri Jan 10, 2014 12:43 pm

Hi,

My period of residence is now 4,5 year on type A. My current permission expires in 6 months so I'm tempted to do not apply for pysyvä before that but rather for citizenship now, not waiting to hit normal 5 year residence period. Of course I would just prefer to don't waste money for getting pysyvä, if the only purpose of it would be to overcome waiting period of citizenship app processing. Migri says it is possible, if it is required by the nature of the employment. Now I'm thinking would my current permission expiration be a good reason for the application? Obviously permit expiration would complicate my current employment situation. Would it be wise to state that in "acceleration" letter from my employer, or Migri will just say go ahead and get pysyvä oleskelulupa instead? Does anyone have an example of such letter that "worked"? Thanks.

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007 · Post by **007** » Fri Jan 10, 2014 1:23 pm

KoolAid wrote:Hi,

My period of residence is now 4,5 year on type A. My current permission expires in 6 months so I'm tempted to do not apply for pysyvä before that but rather for citizenship now, not waiting to hit normal 5 year residence period. Of course I would just prefer to don't waste money for getting pysyvä, if the only purpose of it would be to overcome waiting period of citizenship app processing. Migri says it is possible, if it is required by the nature of the employment. Now I'm thinking would my current permission expiration be a good reason for the application? Obviously permit expiration would complicate my current employment situation. Would it be wise to state that in "acceleration" letter from my employer, or Migri will just say go ahead and get pysyvä oleskelulupa instead? Does anyone have an example of such letter that "worked"? Thanks.

you need to have at least 1 year left in your A permit before a positive decision on citizenship is made! Not at the time of application but at the time of decision. So you will have to extend your A permit, to be precise convert it to a P.

there might be of course marriage or employement to show that you will retain A permit in the future too but the hole in your plan is that how can you be in Finland without a permit? Your A permit will expire as soon as you don't renew or convert it to a P. Decision on citizenship will come in months.

add: acceleration letter in your case is a futile. Don't put extra burden on their hectic schedules.

Rip · Post by **Rip** » Fri Jan 10, 2014 1:30 pm

I'd be very surprised if that worked. After all very many people are in the same situation and the only reason you'd "need" to expedite the process is to avoid paying for the permanent" residence permit. Besides the expedition process applies to processing times, not for for the required residence time as such. Even if you would qualify under the four year rule, it is questionable if the application could be processed in time, and I don't see any valid reason to expedite the issue

Obviously permit expiration would complicate my current employment situation.

It would also make you ineligible for citizenship. There does not seem to be nay reason why your employer would be interested in your citizenship, and if you'd let your legal right to reside and work in Finland to expire in the meanwhile, that would be your own fault.

network_engineer · Post by **network_engineer** » Fri Jan 10, 2014 1:35 pm

Hello!

Long time ago, I dealt with a similar perspective, i.e. both expedite & exemption based on employment grounds. I believe post those times, Migri has actually defined some criteria. The criteria must present a circumstance wherein without the citizenship hinders the possibility to carry out your employment successfully, or imposes a stress of your life.

In this particular case, it is a bit hard to advise, as merely expiry of the permit perhaps may not suffice.

Kind regards.

betelgeuse · Post by **betelgeuse** » Fri Jan 10, 2014 6:40 pm

KoolAid wrote: Migri says it is possible, if it is required by the nature of the employment. Now I'm thinking would my current permission expiration be a good reason for the application?

You have misunderstood what this means. Here's a quote from the unofficial (not all amendments might be included) translation of the Nationality Act Section 18:

http://www.finlex.fi/en/laki/kaannokset ... 030359.pdf

"it is unreasonably difficult to be engaged in permanent full-time work in Finland without Finnish citizenship;"

Your job does not need Finnish citizenship since you already doing it. Permit expiration is not a special and weighty reason so it does not qualify either.

betelgeuse · Post by **betelgeuse** » Fri Jan 10, 2014 6:45 pm

You can leave renewing your residence permit to the last possible day. Your stay continues to be legal in Finland while the permit is being processed. In the (unlikely) event that they approve your citizenship application before that you will avoid paying the fee (currently they are processing applications submitted in August 2013).

betelgeuse · Post by **betelgeuse** » Fri Jan 10, 2014 6:48 pm

007 wrote: you need to have at least 1 year left in your A permit before a positive decision on citizenship is made! Not at the time of application but at the time of decision. So you will have to extend your A permit, to be precise convert it to a P.

There is no such requirement in the Nationality Act.

Upphew · Post by **Upphew** » Fri Jan 10, 2014 7:23 pm

betelgeuse wrote:You can leave renewing your residence permit to the last possible day. Your stay continues to be legal in Finland while the permit is being processed. In the (unlikely) event that they approve your citizenship application before that you will avoid paying the fee (currently they are processing applications submitted in August 2013).

Can you work without holding valid residence permit?

betelgeuse · Post by **betelgeuse** » Fri Jan 10, 2014 9:10 pm

Upphew wrote:
betelgeuse wrote:You can leave renewing your residence permit to the last possible day. Your stay continues to be legal in Finland while the permit is being processed. In the (unlikely) event that they approve your citizenship application before that you will avoid paying the fee (currently they are processing applications submitted in August 2013).
Can you work without holding valid residence permit?

I don't see the Aliens Act explicitly telling an answer for this in order to give a reference. Section 40 [1] that ends with the right of residence while the application is pending is quite generic. Since Finland does not have a separate work permit I would interpret the section to mean that the old permit continues to be valid for working while the application is being processed. In practice the only people for whom this would matter are inspectors coming to the employer (which would be quite a coincidence any way) and I doubt they would penalize the employer as long as the OP has handed them the paper from the police that certifies that the new permit has been applied for. Also if you couldn't work while the application was pending, I think I would have seen this info while browsing migri.fi (they say that you can apply as long as it is before it expires [2]).

[1] http://www.finlex.fi/fi/laki/ajantasa/2 ... 0301#L4P40
[2] http://www.migri.fi/working_in_finland/permit_extension

justaguy · Post by **justaguy** » Sat Jan 11, 2014 2:11 am

Doesn't applying for citizenship also have a continuous job requirement in addition to all the other requirements like language and time lived inside Finland etc?

Rip · Post by **Rip** » Sat Jan 11, 2014 8:03 am

justaguy wrote:Doesn't applying for citizenship also have a continuous job requirement in addition to all the other requirements like language and time lived inside Finland etc?

No. (I don't see how it would be relevant even if we had).

007 · Post by **007** » Sat Jan 11, 2014 11:24 am

betelgeuse wrote:
007 wrote: you need to have at least 1 year left in your A permit before a positive decision on citizenship is made! Not at the time of application but at the time of decision. So you will have to extend your A permit, to be precise convert it to a P.
There is no such requirement in the Nationality Act.

I am pretty sure I saw such requirement somewhere in migri page sometime ago, or a year ago. Perhaps, they have changed the requirements or perhaps I got things mixed up.

betelgeuse · Post by **betelgeuse** » Sat Jan 11, 2014 1:09 pm

007 wrote:
betelgeuse wrote:
007 wrote: you need to have at least 1 year left in your A permit before a positive decision on citizenship is made! Not at the time of application but at the time of decision. So you will have to extend your A permit, to be precise convert it to a P.
There is no such requirement in the Nationality Act.
I am pretty sure I saw such requirement somewhere in migri page sometime ago, or a year ago. Perhaps, they have changed the requirements or perhaps I got things mixed up.

Before the latest amendment to the nationality act in 2011 any type of residence permit counted (due to a supreme administrative court decision in 2007):

http://217.71.145.20/TRIPviewer/show.as ... .fi&f=WORD

Basically you could not have seen such information a year ago either so you just remember things wrong.

betelgeuse · Post by **betelgeuse** » Sat Jan 11, 2014 1:11 pm

justaguy wrote:Doesn't applying for citizenship also have a continuous job requirement in addition to all the other requirements like language and time lived inside Finland etc?

No (state support is fine too): http://www.migri.fi/finnish_citizenship ... of_support

KoolAid · Post by **KoolAid** » Sat Jan 11, 2014 3:12 pm

Thank you all for sharing your opinions. I'm pretty much convinced now to go for pysyvä and wait until 5 years before applying.

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