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thinkprocessfocus
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Post by thinkprocessfocus » Sun Jan 19, 2014 11:55 am

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rinso
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Re: Registered partnership

Post by rinso » Sun Jan 19, 2014 12:22 pm

Positive factors:
8 years
We have all sorts of "materials" to prove our relationship
Negative factors:
long distance relationship
I just recently lost my employment
same sex relationship
This should not be a point but for someone with a conservative point of view it might tip the balance.

I think it should not be a problem but I wouldn't guarantee a positive outcome either.

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Re: Registered partnership

Post by betelgeuse » Sun Jan 19, 2014 12:37 pm

There's no income requirement for family members of Finnish citizens so being unemployed shouldn't be much of a factor. You should see the application forms to get an idea about what kind of things they are looking at:

http://www.migri.fi/download/15099_OLE_ ... 0fefdbd088
http://www.migri.fi/download/15229_PK2_ ... 0fefdbd088

It's hard to get more than speculation from internet forums, so since your plan is for your partner to move here, I would just start the process as soon as possible and then see if they ask any extra questions. Besides the application fee there really isn't much to loose against status quo.

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Re: Registered partnership

Post by thinkprocessfocus » Sun Jan 19, 2014 12:45 pm

Thanks for the replies, I understand the complication of our situation and I will begin to inquire this Migri. Our main issue
now is that it a long distance and same-sex relationship and she lives in a country that registered partnership is not allowed. Should our application based on family ties (spouse) or personal relationship. Regarding financials, it wouldn't be a problem as I have enough savings and she has too to start our life together.

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Re: Registered partnership

Post by thinkprocessfocus » Wed Jan 22, 2014 11:22 pm

I called Migri today and it was very funny. I was directed to a specialist for immigration cases and I did not get any clarifications whatsoever.
I went to ask what is the right residence permit application forms and which is the more suitable one to use (whether on the basis of personal relationship or family ties) when my partner applies her residence permit,
the answer I got from the lady is "yes, you can always apply of course" and "she should ask the Finnish embassy in her country".
I know that it is confusing to have a same-sex long-distance relationship.

But tith this residence permit application, I've never been confused in my whole life. :lol:

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Re: Registered partnership

Post by betelgeuse » Wed Jan 22, 2014 11:33 pm

thinkprocessfocus wrote: I went to ask what is the right residence permit application forms and which is the more suitable one to use (whether on the basis of personal relationship or family ties) when my partner applies her residence permit,
Did you check the form I already linked? What two forms are you comparing?

http://www.migri.fi/services/applicatio ... tion_forms

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Re: Registered partnership

Post by thinkprocessfocus » Wed Jan 22, 2014 11:47 pm

^^ Yes I checked them already. Thanks a lot for providing it. I called the Migri because I want to clarify our situation.
In the form, the tick boxes are:

Relationship between my spouse and myself
Married Cohabitation Registered relationship between two people of the same gender

None of this is applicable to our case. Since 1) We are not married. 2) We haven't lived together in the same household for 2 years and 3) Our relationship is not officially registered.
So I wanted to ask for clarification if there is another form for just personal relationships and which box to tick.

With our relationship, it would likely fall into this(?) http://www.migri.fi/moving_to_finland_t ... lationship

This is also the form I am comparing with the one form for family ties. http://www.migri.fi/services/applicatio ... ole_muu_en

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Re: Registered partnership

Post by betelgeuse » Thu Jan 23, 2014 12:23 am

thinkprocessfocus wrote: None of this is applicable to our case. Since 1) We are not married. 2) We haven't lived together in the same household for 2 years and 3) Our relationship is not officially registered.
For some reason I got the idea that yours was officially registered. Sorry about that. Have you considered her taking a trip with you to a country where registered partnerships / marriage is available for you two?

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Re: Registered partnership

Post by CH » Thu Jan 23, 2014 9:22 am

betelgeuse wrote:For some reason I got the idea that yours was officially registered. Sorry about that. Have you considered her taking a trip with you to a country where registered partnerships / marriage is available for you two?
Might be for the same reason I also thought so... because the topic is "registered partnership".

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Re: Registered partnership

Post by rinso » Thu Jan 23, 2014 9:40 am

thinkprocessfocus wrote: None of this is applicable to our case. Since 1) We are not married. 2) We haven't lived together in the same household for 2 years and 3) Our relationship is not officially registered.
So I wanted to ask for clarification if there is another form for just personal relationships and which box to tick.
It is more important which box Migri would tick in this situation.
No marriage, no cohabitation, no registered partnership --> no residence permit.
Don't waste your money on an application that will be rejected but do as betelgeuse said; get your relationship registered somewhere.

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Re: Registered partnership

Post by betelgeuse » Thu Jan 23, 2014 10:09 am

CH wrote:
betelgeuse wrote:For some reason I got the idea that yours was officially registered. Sorry about that. Have you considered her taking a trip with you to a country where registered partnerships / marriage is available for you two?
Might be for the same reason I also thought so... because the topic is "registered partnership".
No wonder the OP is confused...

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Re: Registered partnership

Post by thinkprocessfocus » Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:27 pm

Hello, I have a question, is it possible to register our partnership in Finnish consulate instead in maistratti?
The reason is that my partner is not in Finland yet and is living in a country that same sex partnership is not legalized. Our plan is to have it legalized and then apply for her RP. I will visit her soon and was thinking to register it there and notify maistratti once I'm back.

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Re: Registered partnership

Post by Pursuivant » Fri Jan 31, 2014 8:49 pm

Embassies don't do marriages. Plan B would be to tie the knot in Maistraatti.
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Re: Registered partnership

Post by browndude » Sat Feb 01, 2014 2:44 pm

Register your partnership first and foremost. After that, since you are a Finnish citizen, your employment situation will not be relevant to granting the residence permit for your partner. Is there a possibility of your partner coming to Finland and having the partnership registration performed over here? If so, that would be the way to go. Are registered partnerships legal in her country? Does Finland accept same-sex registrations performed in her country? Make sure to clarify everything before you make any applications-be persistent and get clear answers. IF you satisfy all the requirements down to the letter, then the authorities are bound by law to issue the residence permit, independent of the individual government officials personal prejudices.
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