A few months ago I posted some info about a job which was about to appear on the forum, I did work for the employer who treated us badly and refused to pay money owed, this person ( https://www.finlandforum.org/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=81762) had been a member of this forum but luckily the admin team here are good and have deleted the person's account so the job cannot be posted.
This is what happened https://www.finlandforum.org/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=81762
I was owed quite a lot of money from unpaid overtime and transport costs and I approached Aluehallintovirasto in early January who sent me a claim form and advised me to write to the person (their login nickname on here started with letter S so lets use that) and give a breakdown of the charges. I actually charged the absolute minimum I needed to cover my losses. I got a mail sent back with a letter of course full of lies(There was one occasion where S had sent us home on arrival as she said her underage daughter was missing and we believed it, actually offered to help but the daughter told me later herself that there was a 'guest' I believe a man brought back from a party in a situation with the daughter and she did not want us to call child protection. None of my problem but could have paid us for coming out at 9 am on a weekend. We were there to work and not assess her parenting skills.)
the mail said that a hard copy would come by post. nothing arrived. in early February I contracted a life threatening chest illness and was unable to look after myself properly, I have gone from size L to size S in clothes as a result and during that time a card arrived from posti about a registered letter but it had no sender. I thought maybe it was the copy from S and too weak to walk to shop even, as the nearest posti is 3 km one way and I had no spare cash for transport I did not think it was important to collect. I did the tracking on the posti website and it said that it had been sent to a collection point in town and also my surname and address were spelt wrongly. Had I known there was the payment in it in cash, I would have sent my boyfriend who has a travelpass to collect it with a written note explaining my situation.
In early March I got better and I sent S an email with my Netbank details and a reminder to pay at least a good part of the money as it is a lifeline to me. She sent back a reply saying that the money was actually in the uninsured letter in cash and that I did not need it obviously as I had not collected it. I was not aware that anyone would send cash via uninsured mail , especially not if they own a Netbank account. She also said that she had gone to her post office via taxi and that took all her spare money so she does not have to pay me again!!!!!
I contacted posti and they said that because there was no sender info (no point sending as 'signed for' if the sender cannot find out that it has arrived) the letter has been taken to a depot for safekeeping and they asked for S.'s contact details so they could contact her if hse sent the letter . I did supply them also send posti a copy of the mail where she states that there is cash in the letter. Posti said they will contact me once found and get it to me.
Now I got 2 hateful emails last night from S. one is a copy sent to posti where she slags me off to posti staff and apologises to them that 'they have to deal with someone like XXX' mentioning my first name and than one near midnight saying 'this is the last warning, I will stop you if you don't stop harassing me' (I only asked for my money back as I am responsible for housing 3 people and we will lose the house and be split up if we cannot pay the bills, also I have worked for that money) then a lot worse :
S has written that she has been informed by the Finnish authorities (I am local but have always lived in other countries) that I have got a 'history' of abusing people and that they have my name and 'history' on record. I have never broken the law apart from a small on-the-spot fine in another EU country when my ex-husband and I had a big argument while doing the food shop, he started, but that was paid 10 years ago and is not on file. I have never ever abused anyone.
I am asking if anyone knows the Finnish law, can authorities disclose private information about an individual to other ordinary members of the public????? S. works as temporary telesales person for ECHA, so no position of authority and she speaks poor English and no Finnish or Swedish so she cannot use her profession to get her foot in the door. this is really worrying me. My boyfriend says that any authorities cannot disclose such information as far as he knows but he is from China maybe he is talking about China. I have nothing to hide and never done anything wrong.
thank you for reading and if anyone knows what the law is on disclosing information to members of the public let me know, so i know if S is just lying as usual I am also starting to fel unsafe as my experience of her is of a very volatile and aggressive person . S is losing her job in May and as her daughter has moved away she will have nowhere to go and its quite uncomfortable to know that she has my address.
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http://www.finlex.fi/fi/laki/ajantasa/2 ... 0055#L2P16Jetsun wrote: the mail said that a hard copy would come by post. nothing arrived. in early February I contracted a life threatening chest illness and was unable to look after myself properly, I have gone from size L to size S in clothes as a result and during that time a card arrived from posti about a registered letter but it had no sender. I thought maybe it was the copy from S and too weak to walk to shop even, as the nearest posti is 3 km one way and I had no spare cash for transport I did not think it was important to collect. I did the tracking on the posti website and it said that it had been sent to a collection point in town and also my surname and address were spelt wrongly. Had I known there was the payment in it in cash, I would have sent my boyfriend who has a travelpass to collect it with a written note explaining my situation.
In early March I got better and I sent S an email with my Netbank details and a reminder to pay at least a good part of the money as it is a lifeline to me. She sent back a reply saying that the money was actually in the uninsured letter in cash and that I did not need it obviously as I had not collected it. I was not aware that anyone would send cash via uninsured mail , especially not if they own a Netbank account. She also said that she had gone to her post office via taxi and that took all her spare money so she does not have to pay me again!!!!!
The law requires wages to be paid to your bank account. So it's not your problem if she used a letter to send you money.
http://www.posti.fi/kortitjakirjeet/arv ... apalvelut/
Additionally postal service terms of contract only allow cash to be sent via insured letters.
http://www.tietosuoja.fi/27305.htmJetsun wrote: I am asking if anyone knows the Finnish law, can authorities disclose private information about an individual to other ordinary members of the public????? S. works as temporary telesales person for ECHA, so no position of authority and she speaks poor English and no Finnish or Swedish so she cannot use her profession to get her foot in the door. this is really worrying me. My boyfriend says that any authorities cannot disclose such information as far as he knows but he is from China maybe he is talking about China. I have nothing to hide and never done anything wrong.
thank you for reading and if anyone knows what the law is on disclosing information to members of the public let me know, so i know if S is just lying as usual I am also starting to fel unsafe as my experience of her is of a very volatile and aggressive person . S is losing her job in May and as her daughter has moved away she will have nowhere to go and its quite uncomfortable to know that she has my address.
Based on the facts it doesn't seem like you would have easy time getting the money from her. I would consider going through the courts and then have the Enforcement collect the money if the courts side with you and she doesn't pay willingly:
http://www.oikeus.fi/ulosotto/en/index.html
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All other is answered so i talk about privacy.
She may be able to get your credit rating but if caught.... You can check for free once a year who have asked your credit. http://www.omatieto.fi/Omatieto-ukk_1.htm
Next step is security check and for that she would need your written permission and you have to apply in military or other high interest place like nuclear plant so forget it.
She isnt in police, nurse or anything where your private info is available and no matter of what he cant inform finnish authorities on anything since there is no such register. There is criminal and police records but one telling "she is bad" wont affect or cause any marking in there. Maybe in secret "who is @#$% around or we think is, he is rebel anyway" register but nothing what has any effect outside of police work.
TL:DR NO she cant ruin your name, finnish police already knows about your record in other country
She may be able to get your credit rating but if caught.... You can check for free once a year who have asked your credit. http://www.omatieto.fi/Omatieto-ukk_1.htm
Next step is security check and for that she would need your written permission and you have to apply in military or other high interest place like nuclear plant so forget it.
She isnt in police, nurse or anything where your private info is available and no matter of what he cant inform finnish authorities on anything since there is no such register. There is criminal and police records but one telling "she is bad" wont affect or cause any marking in there. Maybe in secret "who is @#$% around or we think is, he is rebel anyway" register but nothing what has any effect outside of police work.
TL:DR NO she cant ruin your name, finnish police already knows about your record in other country
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thank you all who have answered and especially for the helpful links, seems like she is just threatening for the sake of it. Yes she has a lot of problems but nothing to do with me, she is letting it out on the wrong person.
This is the mail she sent me 2 days ago copied in, she speaks about me contacting posti with her details: This comes from a person who thinks its acceptable to drop a burning candle on to someone 's back, nearly scarred me for life as she was angry that I had plans and declined lunch with her.
]XXX
This is not the first, but really my last warning to you to stop with your inappropriate actions which have gone already too far in harassing me!
I have already taken appropriate action and I will not stop if I need to defend myself!
Please note: It has come to my attention from the Finnish authorities that I am not the only one who has been treated by you in a similar way. This is already a serious matter.
Your e-mail to the Post Office today is yet another written proof of harassment.
Thank you for paying the necessary attention to this very last warning!
S.
I hope she will stop as posti will send the letter on to me without involving her anymore. If its less money than my losses its ok, I am tired of all this, I hope something happens and we can keep our house, I am tired of all this.
This is the mail she sent me 2 days ago copied in, she speaks about me contacting posti with her details: This comes from a person who thinks its acceptable to drop a burning candle on to someone 's back, nearly scarred me for life as she was angry that I had plans and declined lunch with her.
]XXX
This is not the first, but really my last warning to you to stop with your inappropriate actions which have gone already too far in harassing me!
I have already taken appropriate action and I will not stop if I need to defend myself!
Please note: It has come to my attention from the Finnish authorities that I am not the only one who has been treated by you in a similar way. This is already a serious matter.
Your e-mail to the Post Office today is yet another written proof of harassment.
Thank you for paying the necessary attention to this very last warning!
S.
I hope she will stop as posti will send the letter on to me without involving her anymore. If its less money than my losses its ok, I am tired of all this, I hope something happens and we can keep our house, I am tired of all this.
Re: confidentiality of Finnish authorities
It sounds like she is the one harassing you with emails like that! I would go to the police and file a complaint about her, especially if you know her name and address.
Re: confidentiality of Finnish authorities
actully I had a call from police station asking me to come 'for questioning' as S has made a claim of me harrassing her, it was very stressful for me but the interviewer was great, i told her how S had treated me and what I had to put up with so hope I will not face any further problems.
The letter has now arrived. I opened it with my boyfriend there as a witness and also took photos of the letter and contents- The money was a single 20 euro note (the whole claim was 300e but I asked for 85e knowing her financial situation) 20e is not even covering the cost I have had for letters, photocopies, advisor phone calls
The worst is the painful verbal abuse I had to put up with...I have a major disability but prefer to live a normal life and carry on as normal. On the first day she switchend off her hearing aid (did not know that she wore one) and eery time I asked where soemthing is eg she did not hear me and at the end of the shift she switched the damn thing on again and said : it shows you are lonely, poor thing you don't have anyone to chat to for days, you probably live in a guest house with no one to talk to you, you always want to chat but I will be your friend ' I did not like her saying that especially as I am not chatty person at all but was so happy to have found a job. I am hopeless at any thing to do with fashion and beauty so she kept saying that a 'lazy scruffy woman' like myself cannot attract any European partner and only can get '3rd world nomads' like my boyfriend...she said the smell in the house was brought in by myself. She often said that I was 'the town's answer to Susan Boyle without the singing talent' ( look nothing like Susan Boyle, wrong racial mix for starters) and often said that I was rubbish at work but she felt sorry for me andonly gave me a job as her daughter would need to 'learn empathy with the less fortunate'. She told her daughter that I had severe learning difficulties and that my parents were rich and had sent me away as they could not cope with 'my brain being wired differently' (not at all true) and her daughter also treated my like trash, often throwing my coat and bag on the floor and walking on it and helping herself to things out of my bag. The worst thing was that one day she asked me if I wanted to move in with her and I said that I want to live with my boyfriend and have a family and she strted laughing and pulled me towards her and hissed in my face:* I can see that this is not happening , Mother Nature has already made her plans and your man will leave you when your health gets worse and then you will have a long lonely drawn out death'. its strange that if she thinks I am trash with learning difficulties that she trusts me with the task of choosing outfits for her holiday and being capable of decicing that. She seems one very messed up woman to me but I keep thinking maybe she really wanted to help me and 'rescue' me from having to fend for myself. She alsway has said that I am 'taking on too much' with that chi***** and a house to pay for and run and that I should be living with her with no work, long chats, romantic books and films and lots of icecream and coke, she said that for someone with my condition andunable to attract a 'first world man to take care of me' my current life is 'too hard' (I know that I wear rubbish clothes as I prefer to pay the house bills and food first and I am broke right now mainly due to the losses caused by her).
She has aged prematurely and told me she finds it hard to cope with her failing health and needing more help (most of it is self-inflicted) but no reason to let it out on others. I think I have been her punchbag for far too long, her problems are hers not mine...she has achieved a lot compared to me and has a comfortable lifestyle (we are really struggling financially and are only dreaming to be able to afford the type of food she leaves out to rot in the flat) but its her fault for not having social insurance and travelling from country to country being isolated and being abusive to people. Also I only contacted her for work , not for a ready made 'big sister and best friend'.
A lot of people will think that its very stupid of me to struggle with little money at home when I could have had free room and meals with a person like that and company, my disability means that I find it dificult to make friends my age , most of my friends are a lot younger including my partner as I come over as much younger and people the right age from Europe do not seem interested, my boyfriend has said this complaint does not exist in his culture and if it does, affected people still carry on as normal and have to overcome it, there is few other options, this is why he is not bothered by it. I am trying my best(someone has told me that half the country is struggling with cost of living) maybe I am stupid to refuse the friendship of a glamourous, open minded TV presenter and no need for money to havign to pay for a dump in Sipoo and work despite having a disability( I am able bodied but not very strong ie cannot lift adult people or run fast for long time eg).
I have now borrowed some cash from a relative and enrolled on a qualification course for a job I used to do as a teenager back then no quals were needed but they are now, so hopefully I do not have to depend on has beens like that ever again. My boyfriend works in similar trade although management, he has said once I have done the course he will ask around . with some slight effort hopefully they do not need to know that there is something wrong with me, I know what the 'outward signs' are and I am capable of not showing them on the outside for a few hours.
The letter has now arrived. I opened it with my boyfriend there as a witness and also took photos of the letter and contents- The money was a single 20 euro note (the whole claim was 300e but I asked for 85e knowing her financial situation) 20e is not even covering the cost I have had for letters, photocopies, advisor phone calls
The worst is the painful verbal abuse I had to put up with...I have a major disability but prefer to live a normal life and carry on as normal. On the first day she switchend off her hearing aid (did not know that she wore one) and eery time I asked where soemthing is eg she did not hear me and at the end of the shift she switched the damn thing on again and said : it shows you are lonely, poor thing you don't have anyone to chat to for days, you probably live in a guest house with no one to talk to you, you always want to chat but I will be your friend ' I did not like her saying that especially as I am not chatty person at all but was so happy to have found a job. I am hopeless at any thing to do with fashion and beauty so she kept saying that a 'lazy scruffy woman' like myself cannot attract any European partner and only can get '3rd world nomads' like my boyfriend...she said the smell in the house was brought in by myself. She often said that I was 'the town's answer to Susan Boyle without the singing talent' ( look nothing like Susan Boyle, wrong racial mix for starters) and often said that I was rubbish at work but she felt sorry for me andonly gave me a job as her daughter would need to 'learn empathy with the less fortunate'. She told her daughter that I had severe learning difficulties and that my parents were rich and had sent me away as they could not cope with 'my brain being wired differently' (not at all true) and her daughter also treated my like trash, often throwing my coat and bag on the floor and walking on it and helping herself to things out of my bag. The worst thing was that one day she asked me if I wanted to move in with her and I said that I want to live with my boyfriend and have a family and she strted laughing and pulled me towards her and hissed in my face:* I can see that this is not happening , Mother Nature has already made her plans and your man will leave you when your health gets worse and then you will have a long lonely drawn out death'. its strange that if she thinks I am trash with learning difficulties that she trusts me with the task of choosing outfits for her holiday and being capable of decicing that. She seems one very messed up woman to me but I keep thinking maybe she really wanted to help me and 'rescue' me from having to fend for myself. She alsway has said that I am 'taking on too much' with that chi***** and a house to pay for and run and that I should be living with her with no work, long chats, romantic books and films and lots of icecream and coke, she said that for someone with my condition andunable to attract a 'first world man to take care of me' my current life is 'too hard' (I know that I wear rubbish clothes as I prefer to pay the house bills and food first and I am broke right now mainly due to the losses caused by her).
She has aged prematurely and told me she finds it hard to cope with her failing health and needing more help (most of it is self-inflicted) but no reason to let it out on others. I think I have been her punchbag for far too long, her problems are hers not mine...she has achieved a lot compared to me and has a comfortable lifestyle (we are really struggling financially and are only dreaming to be able to afford the type of food she leaves out to rot in the flat) but its her fault for not having social insurance and travelling from country to country being isolated and being abusive to people. Also I only contacted her for work , not for a ready made 'big sister and best friend'.
A lot of people will think that its very stupid of me to struggle with little money at home when I could have had free room and meals with a person like that and company, my disability means that I find it dificult to make friends my age , most of my friends are a lot younger including my partner as I come over as much younger and people the right age from Europe do not seem interested, my boyfriend has said this complaint does not exist in his culture and if it does, affected people still carry on as normal and have to overcome it, there is few other options, this is why he is not bothered by it. I am trying my best(someone has told me that half the country is struggling with cost of living) maybe I am stupid to refuse the friendship of a glamourous, open minded TV presenter and no need for money to havign to pay for a dump in Sipoo and work despite having a disability( I am able bodied but not very strong ie cannot lift adult people or run fast for long time eg).
I have now borrowed some cash from a relative and enrolled on a qualification course for a job I used to do as a teenager back then no quals were needed but they are now, so hopefully I do not have to depend on has beens like that ever again. My boyfriend works in similar trade although management, he has said once I have done the course he will ask around . with some slight effort hopefully they do not need to know that there is something wrong with me, I know what the 'outward signs' are and I am capable of not showing them on the outside for a few hours.