Eligible for Kela card or something else?

GmoDelft · Post by **GmoDelft** » Mon Apr 07, 2014 5:51 pm

Hi,

My wife is moving with me to Finland, I will join a Engineering firm here. But for her i see no suitable job (as non eu and no finnish language skill). Can she get kela card ? I heard she can get something around 800 euro per month if went to language school.

Can anybody give more information on it ?

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betelgeuse · Post by **betelgeuse** » Mon Apr 07, 2014 7:38 pm

http://www.kela.fi/web/en/moving-to-fin ... ly-members

GmoDelft · Post by **GmoDelft** » Tue Apr 08, 2014 1:34 pm

it seems my wife is eligible for kela, but is it mandatory to go language school ?

betelgeuse · Post by **betelgeuse** » Tue Apr 08, 2014 5:59 pm

GmoDelft wrote:it seems my wife is eligible for kela, but is it mandatory to go language school ?

It's not mandatory for a Kela card.

harryc · Post by **harryc** » Tue Apr 08, 2014 8:32 pm

It all seems to be a rip-off of the Finnish taxpayer - no wonder the Euroskeptics are doing so well!!

GmoDelft · Post by **GmoDelft** » Wed Apr 09, 2014 9:06 am

many thanks ..

so steps like this

1. visit MOL and register as job seeker , goto kela for kela coverage

2. After decision from Kela, fill form for kela unemployment money.

i want to is the language school need to pay fees ?

To harrys : I am also a taxpayer

harryc · Post by **harryc** » Wed Apr 09, 2014 11:01 pm

To harrys : I am also a taxpayer

Yeah but why should we pay for a wife? If she didn't come to a job why should we pay unemployment - you could have taken care of all of that before moving to Finland.

For all we know she wasn't working where you came from either (was it an EU country?). So if that would be the case - it's REALLY a rip-off.

Liam1 · Post by **Liam1** » Thu Apr 10, 2014 12:05 pm

So is your wife genuinely seeking work or are you trying to get a better deal for your tax buck?

If the former I think that this is fine - as you say you are a tax payer and the Finnish state has not needed to educate you / your wife, so it all evens out. If the latter I wouldn't shout this from the rooftops when you are here, because the reaction from locals could be hostile- In my experience, Finns are quite an envious nation, especially with respect to money and as most pay high taxes they may not appreciate hearing how others appear to get a better deal.

harryc · Post by **harryc** » Thu Apr 10, 2014 4:01 pm

I'm all for a just welfare state and going all out to help the truly disadvantaged -and certainly support the NHS type system - basically am left wing.

But i sense here a situation where someone is taking advantage of the 'rules' as written - I see now they are not even from a EU country. It is not clear to me why the 'rules' are paying unemployment to a wife - on the other hand many are weaseling payments to families when they haven't even come to Finland.

Truly there needs to be a lot of reform and re-thinking on this idea of entitlements. Unfortunately it is giving a lot of fuel to right-wing ideas where we may end up losing a lot of the welfare society many of us would like to have - and end up with income distribution getting further distorted.

Resources are limited - and maybe even more so these days - so I think it is more than sensible to question a system of throwing money around willy nilly.

If someone from country X wants to move - and bring certain skills - fine - but on what basis should a family be supported - and certainly one should think about giving them unemployment benefits. If someone wants to move a whole family, one should negotiate with the prospective employer as to whether the salary will be high enough to support dependents.

rinso · Post by **rinso** » Thu Apr 10, 2014 4:11 pm

If someone from country X wants to move - and bring certain skills - fine - but on what basis should a family be supported - and certainly one should think about giving them unemployment benefits. If someone wants to move a whole family, one should negotiate with the prospective employer as to whether the salary will be high enough to support dependents.

There are minimum income rules for the RP for non EU immigrants. So salary to low, no RP.

harryc · Post by **harryc** » Thu Apr 10, 2014 4:15 pm

RP - Riot Points?

And relation to possible unemployment payments for wives, 18+ living at home children, etc. - ?

rinso · Post by **rinso** » Thu Apr 10, 2014 6:04 pm

harryc wrote: And relation to possible unemployment payments for wives, 18+ living at home children, etc. - ?

The same rules as for everybody else.

harryc · Post by **harryc** » Thu Apr 10, 2014 8:09 pm

So rules same for Finnish citizens, EU country citizens and 'wherever' citizens?

If so - unbelievable!

GmoDelft · Post by **GmoDelft** » Thu Apr 10, 2014 10:27 pm

Liam1 wrote:So is your wife genuinely seeking work or are you trying to get a better deal for your tax buck?

If the former I think that this is fine - as you say you are a tax payer and the Finnish state has not needed to educate you / your wife, so it all evens out. If the latter I wouldn't shout this from the rooftops when you are here, because the reaction from locals could be hostile- In my experience, Finns are quite an envious nation, especially with respect to money and as most pay high taxes they may not appreciate hearing how others appear to get a better deal.

the first one, she is trying to get work, she have masters degree from home country (asian ) on Philosophy. Its narrowing down as no Finnish language skill.

harryc · Post by **harryc** » Fri Apr 11, 2014 9:42 am

My thoughts concern those non-Finns coming - especially from non Eu - and getting all kinds of benefits - and very often via phony means

If a non-Finn wife or husband is joining a Finnish spouse and they are looking for unemployment benefits - they should have to show previous employment where they are from.

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One person paying taxes btw is hardly a plus situation when everything added up - actual cash allowances to wives, children, 18+ unemployment is already a losing propositiion - but then add all the things society provides - health, education, roads, security, etc.

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